Why is homosexuality sinful?

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My wife has had a hysterectomy, there is NO CHANCE that she can ever again become pregnant…by your reasoning, which keeps shouting “procreation” but has not said word one about the coequally important unitive aspect…she and I should no longer engage in sex. In fact…one could argue that the unitive aspect is “first among equals”…first God noted man needed a partner…later Adam and Eve receive the command to be frutful and multiply.

I really do understand what you’re saying…but when you say it in the manner you have it ignores the dignity of the unitive aspect of sex.
 
My wife has had a hysterectomy, there is NO CHANCE that she can ever again become pregnant…by your reasoning, which keeps shouting “procreation” but has not said word one about the coequally important unitive aspect…she and I should no longer engage in sex. In fact…one could argue that the unitive aspect is “first among equals”…first God noted man needed a partner…later Adam and Eve receive the command to be frutful and multiply.

I really do understand what you’re saying…but when you say it in the manner you have it ignores the dignity of the unitive aspect of sex.
If a hysterectomy is not done to make one intentionally sterile then the acts are still objectively procreative.
 
My wife has had a hysterectomy, there is NO CHANCE that she can ever again become pregnant…by your reasoning, which keeps shouting “procreation” but has not said word one about the coequally important unitive aspect…she and I should no longer engage in sex. In fact…one could argue that the unitive aspect is “first among equals”…first God noted man needed a partner…later Adam and Eve receive the command to be frutful and multiply.

I really do understand what you’re saying…but when you say it in the manner you have it ignores the dignity of the unitive aspect of sex.
In what I mentioned the procreative aspect is not present and cannot ever be present in those acts. You having marital relations with your wife is a different story. For whatever reason (and I am not expecting you to get into it here) she has had a hysterectomy, but if you could have children, the procreative aspect would still be there.

It is an all inclusive act, not a partial act.
 
Still, my whole issue here is that the unitive aspect is completely ignored by your statements. I posit that if a couple have sex ONLY for procreation without allowing the unitive aspect (yes, this is possible) then it’s as EQUALLY sinful as contraception or homosexual sex. In other words, we should never speak of the “procreative” aspect of sex without giving equal weight to the unitive…it does the gift of sex a terrible disservice.
 
Still, my whole issue here is that the unitive aspect is completely ignored by your statements. I posit that if a couple have sex ONLY for procreation without allowing the unitive aspect (yes, this is possible) then it’s as EQUALLY sinful as contraception or homosexual sex. In other words, we should never speak of the “procreative” aspect of sex without giving equal weight to the unitive…it does the gift of sex a terrible disservice.
Again, I realize that the “unitive” aspect is not mentioned in those statements that I mentioned because they (by themselves) are sinful acts.

I am not disagreeing with what you are saying.

Sex is to be BOTH unitive and procreative each and everytime. If it is not, it is a sinful act.

(If you want to discuss this further start a new thread, but I think that we are saying the same thing in different ways)
 
I think that you have a very Catholic understanding of this issue. I also have friends and family members who live the homosexual lifestyle. I love them dearly. They have many admirable qualities, and are in many ways more generous and loving than I am. However, whether I want to believe it or not, homosexuality is a disorder. We have been systematically taught to reject this truth by the psychologists, media, and other so-called “experts” of this generation. By not looking at homosexuality as a disorder, we turn a blind eye to the root cause of homosexuality. I am a therapist by profession. While I do not know every cause of homosexuality, it seems to have its roots in a Sexual-Identity Crisis. Just as people grow and develop in other areas in their lives in response to their genetics and their environment, so too, do they develop their sexual identity. Trauma, such as sexual abuse, exposure to pornography, or divorced parents, during critical stages of development can affect a child’s development of a healthy sexual identity. There are many other unknown factors as well. However, is it not curious that as our culture grows more and more sexually perverse, more and more young people are espousing homosexuallity? I asked my Family Therapy professor if studies had been done about the possilble links betweeks sexual abuse, pornography, etc and homosexuality. His response was so quick and so adament that I think that he is not open to even exploring the possibitlity. He said, “No, none whatsoever!”

I do not want to give the impression that it is a person’s fault that they are homosexual. I do want to open up the possibility that environmental stressors as well as genetic factors may be involved.

May we love all God’s children and remember: But for the Grace of God, go I.*
 
I think that you have a very Catholic understanding of this issue. I also have friends and family members who live the homosexual lifestyle. I love them dearly. They have many admirable qualities, and are in many ways more generous and loving than I am. However, whether I want to believe it or not, homosexuality is a disorder. We have been systematically taught to reject this truth by the psychologists, media, and other so-called “experts” of this generation. By not looking at homosexuality as a disorder, we turn a blind eye to the root cause of homosexuality. I am a therapist by profession. While I do not know every cause of homosexuality, it seems to have its roots in a Sexual-Identity Crisis. Just as people grow and develop in other areas in their lives in response to their genetics and their environment, so too, do they develop their sexual identity. Trauma, such as sexual abuse, exposure to pornography, or divorced parents, during critical stages of development can affect a child’s development of a healthy sexual identity. There are many other unknown factors as well. However, is it not curious that as our culture grows more and more sexually perverse, more and more young people are espousing homosexuallity? I asked my Family Therapy professor if studies had been done about the possilble links betweeks sexual abuse, pornography, etc and homosexuality. His response was so quick and so adament that I think that he is not open to even exploring the possibitlity. He said, “No, none whatsoever!”

I do not want to give the impression that it is a person’s fault that they are homosexual. I do want to open up the possibility that environmental stressors as well as genetic factors may be involved.

May we love all God’s children and remember: But for the Grace of God, go I.*
What a great post.

To be clear, the Catholic understanding is that homosexuality is disordered. Individual Catholics who do not accept this are in disagreement with Church teaching.

I agree completely with you that our current culture and environment has, in some way, contributed to the appearance of more folks claiming they are homosexual. In my youth, it was unheard of and while I suspect there were a few who struggled with this inclination, it was not to the extent that we see now.

Research strongly indicates that cultural influences such as violence on TV, in video games and music, soft-porn on regular cable channels at all hours of day and night, music and movies that glorify drug use etc, effects our children by normalizing behavior once thought of as immoral at best, inapproriate at the least. And the results are there for all to see. Why then wouldn’t the constant positive media attention to all things “gay” influence our children as well?

My theory is that youngin’s, especially at adolescence, typically experience a period of “confusion” where they are drawn to members of the same sex for all types of reasons. They may be yearning for the love of a missing parent or other friends of the same sex. They may be lacking something in themselves and look to another as being in possession of something unobtainable for them. They may have suffered some form of abuse. But rather than having the opportunity, with good moral direction from parents and other trustworthy adults, to work through these misdirected desires to a more normal way of interacting, they are encouraged to “explore” their feelings and “experiment” with everything before making their decisions. It’s truly a crime, IMO.
 
Again, I realize that the “unitive” aspect is not mentioned in those statements that I mentioned because they (by themselves) are sinful acts.
I am not disagreeing with what you are saying.
Sex is to be BOTH unitive and procreative each and everytime. If it is not, it is a sinful act.
(If you want to discuss this further start a new thread, but I think that we are saying the same thing in different ways)
I gotta disagree with you…only if oral sex or mutual masturbation are an end unto themselves are they in any way sinful…and it’s not contraception that is sinful, it’s ARTIFICIAL contraception that the church considers sinful…NFP is a form of natural contraception is is…usually…not sinful. I think we do a HORRIBLE disservice to this great gift of sex if we only talk about the procreative aspect.
 
I gotta disagree with you…only if oral sex or mutual masturbation are an end unto themselves are they in any way sinful…and it’s not contraception that is sinful, it’s ARTIFICIAL contraception that the church considers sinful…NFP is a form of natural contraception is is…usually…not sinful. I think we do a HORRIBLE disservice to this great gift of sex if we only talk about the procreative aspect.
Okay so you are disagreeing on a technicality, a play on words if you will, then that is fine.

(I agree with your statements BTW)
 
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