Why is it so hard to find a CATHOLIC Mass at a CATHOLIC Church?

[Jamie_Burns]

DavidFilmer:

Hi, everyone, thanks for your replies.
Catholic Dude - You say you go to PSU, which is “very hostile to Christians?” Um, isn’t PSU a Catholic university? Is it really that bad?

Portland State (downtown) is a State University. The Catholic university is University of Portland, on the Northeast side.

 

[Catholic_Dude]

DavidFilmer:

Catholic Dude - You say you go to PSU, which is “very hostile to Christians?” Um, isn’t PSU a Catholic university? Is it really that bad?

It isnt PSU, you are thinking of U of P that is the Catholic school.

 

[DavidFilmer]

Catholic Dude:

It isnt PSU, you are thinking of U of P that is the Catholic school.

Sorry, yes, of course you are correct. My mistake.

 

[system]

Try attending a Mass such as the Traditional Latin Mass, which was codified to prevent the abuses you talk about. You may have to drive or take transportation depending where you are, but to save your soul and attend a Mass that is not Protestant, Masonic, full of hand holding, kids laughing, wearing torn shorts and AC/DC shirts with the Devil, receiving our Lord standing up in their hands from an Old woman who is not a priest, where guitar mass and disco night masses take place , etc etc The Traditional Mass is the only segment of the Catholic population that is growing and not shrinking, and it took a Man such as Mel Gibson, a Traditional Catholic to make a movie that portrayed our Lord in a favorable light and not how the liberal Catholics and Hollywood want him to be portrayed. For that matter, when Mel was under all the attacks from the secularists and Jewish rabbis, our Vicar and his Cardinals had nothing to say, stayed quiet as they have no guts to stand up for the faith as they want to play nice with their Ecumenical bretheren

Here is a link which can lead you on to your path to salvation.

God bless

traditio.com/nat.htm

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

jtnova:

Try attending a Mass such as the Traditional Latin Mass, which was codified to prevent the abuses you talk about.

And how was it codified to prevent abuses? That is nonsense. It can be abused just as easily, that is if the priest is fluent in Latin.

And it is harded to detect the abuses if you are not fluent in Latin yourself.

The abuses have nothing to do with the Mass. They have everything to do with those celebrating and participating in the Mass. The GIRM is clear.

 

[system]

So you are going to compare a word that may be misspoke in Latin and the reverence that takes place at the TLM compared to the banal, bare, and free for all that takes place at the Novus Ordo? If you are Byzantine as you call yourself, do you not practice in the Eastern rite, which is more reverent than what we have today that is for sure

ByzCath:

And how was it codified to prevent abuses? That is nonsense. It can be abused just as easily, that is if the priest is fluent in Latin.

And it is harded to detect the abuses if you are not fluent in Latin yourself.

The abuses have nothing to do with the Mass. They have everything to do with those celebrating and participating in the Mass. The GIRM is clear.

 

[Orogeny]

jtnova:

So you are going to compare a word that may be misspoke in Latin and the reverence that takes place at the TLM compared to the banal, bare, and free for all that takes place at the Novus Ordo? If you are Byzantine as you call yourself, do you not practice in the Eastern rite, which is more reverent than what we have today that is for sure

Do you reject the Novus Ordo as a valid Mass? Is only the latin mass valid?

Peace

Tim

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

jtnova:

So you are going to compare a word that may be misspoke in Latin and the reverence that takes place at the TLM compared to the banal, bare, and free for all that takes place at the Novus Ordo? If you are Byzantine as you call yourself, do you not practice in the Eastern rite, which is more reverent than what we have today that is for sure

I am a Byzantine Catholic. I occasionally attend the Mass and I have seen some very reverent Masses.

There is nothing in the rubrics that allow abuses. And I am not only speaking of a misspoken word in Latin, the priest could change it all with out many knowing.

The greatest thing about the Mass is the vernacular, which we have always had in the Eastern Churches.

 

[rlg94086]

DavidFilmer:

What annoys me is that there are six Catholic Parishes much closer than this (I live past the airport, in Parkrose), but none of them offer a Mass which is celebrated in the ordinary manner proscribed by the Catholic Church.

Dear David,

I’m sorry to hear of your experiences…

at a very large parish (one of the three largest in Portland)

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I’ve only been to a KofC meeting there, not Mass, and I’m disheartened to hear about the abuses. I hope they have been reported and the Archdiocese is doing something about it. I’m not too surprised based on my experience in their meeting…they started it off with an irreverant joke. Unfortunately, some Knights want a men’s club instead of a lay apostolate. I will pray for them.

How about Gresham? Have you tried St. Henry? Again, I’ve only been to their KofC meeting, so I can’t vouch for their Mass. Based on their Knights, I would be surprised if you experienced any serious abuses there.

God Bless,

Robert.

 

[system]

I will not answer that question on the grounds it may incriminate me! I will say that the Novus Ordo mass, after attending for the first 35 years of my life, I have found the Novus Ordo mass to be a baren, self indulgent mass which is void of any reverence in with the emphasis on the laity and not on our Lord, and is prone to innovation and abuses, both by the laity and the Priests, hence mine, my family, and many friends reason to trek to the Traditional Mass, where people wear sport jackets and suits to mass, people genuflect each and every time they pass the tabernacle, where communion is placed on the tongue, and where the prayers of the mass are the same as was said some 1700 years ago, and the sacrements were and have not been tampered with by innovators who wanted to simulate the Protestant Mass. If we wanted a Protestant service I would attend one.

As far as the sermons go at the the Novus ordo, all you hear preached nothing but Love Love and more Love, which is fine and the Trads do preach about Love your Neighbor also, but we are reminded to avoid sin, about sacrifice, and that we are here on this earth a very short time, and it is the priests responsibility, as our Lord taught, to save each and every soul. The mass is norishment for the soul for the week ahead, to avoid the occasions of sin, and even the sacrement of “Pennance” as I had been taught has been changed to “Reconcilliation” as the emphasis is no longer your sins against God, but against your Christian community.

I get very little out of a mass where the altar is bare, the priest wears some 1960’s psychadelic garb, the crucifix in many modern churches has been removed, where the laity spends most of their time talking, etc etc then that is fine as I do not judge. And as far as the vernacular, as most say, I would take the Traditional Mass in the vernacular over the Novus Ordo Mass in Latin, hence Latin has nothing to do with it, it is the rubrics and the Canon which we love that were thrown away by a Mason Archbishop and 6 Protestants to make the Novus Ordo that make us go 10 miles each week to hear the TRUE MASS

God bless you and pray for reverence throughout the Catholic Church Once again

Orogeny:

Do you reject the Novus Ordo as a valid Mass? Is only the latin mass valid?

Peace

Tim

 

[DavidFilmer]

I’m not complaining about Novus Ordo, although I have plenty of cause to do so. I come from a “high church” Anglican background - I know that an English-language Mass can be conducted in a dignified and reverent manner that Novus Ordo does not achieve. But I’m willing to accept that Novus Ordo is the normative Mass for Catholics in the US.

The problem I have is that I have such a hard time finding a true Novus Ordo Mass! I find many versions of Novus Ordo which have been “customized” to fit the particular viewpoint or preference of the local priest or liturgical director (who have absolutely no authority to make these changes).

To me, a “Catholic Mass” means Novus Ordo celebrated in the manner that the Catholic Church proscribes (“Say the black and do the red”). Why is it so hard to find a Catholic Mass that is celebrated in the way that the Catholic Church proscribes???

(PS to Robert (rlg94086) - ha, ha - St. Henry’s was at one time known as the most wacky of Portland Parishes - the term “Screaming Banjo Mass at St. Henry’s” was the stereotype of liturgical abuse. I guess they’ve cleaned up their act, though)

 

[system]

Byz, I agree, I or many so called Conservatives could care less about the Latin, though some of the Mass should stay in Latin and the rest in the vernacular, it is the mass itself we hold so dear. As said many times, we would take the Old mass in it’s whole in the vernacular over the Novus Ordo in it’s whole in Latin. Latin is NOT really at all the issue, a misconception by many.

ByzCath:

I am a Byzantine Catholic. I occasionally attend the Mass and I have seen some very reverent Masses.

There is nothing in the rubrics that allow abuses. And I am not only speaking of a misspoken word in Latin, the priest could change it all with out many knowing.

The greatest thing about the Mass is the vernacular, which we have always had in the Eastern Churches.