Why is there so much difference not only between parishes but also preiests within the parish?

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I do not understand why there is so much difference between one parish in a diocese and another and especially from one priest to another in the same parish.

I have been a member of my current parish for over 20 years. The last 3 years or so we have had a new pastor and he continually made significant changes to the parish. We had choirs at every Mass and now just have cantors, we received communion in both species with the help of numerous extraordinary ministers but now they have pretty much been eliminated and communion is by 2 priests and 2 deacons at the heaviest attended Masses. They have put in long kneelers (similar to the old communion railing), the children’s Mass has been eliminated, there was a contemporary Mass for young people and the choir that used a guitar has been eliminated. And on and on and on.

For the most part we have been given reasons for these changes yet a neighboring parish still functions as our parish did in the past.

During daily Mass one priest will still have communion bread and wine but when the other priest says the Mass only bread.

I have never experienced so much difference between one parish and another as I have witnessed in the past few years.

Why is there so much difference between parishes in the same diocese and even odder why is there a difference between priests in the same parish?
 
It is simply because people are different. Some priests are traditional and prefer Communion rails & the pipe organ while others dislike these and prefer the modern way of doing things. The priests are different just like how laymen are different in how they practice the faith and in what they like the Mass to be like.

With your parish, it seems the old pastor was more modern and the new pastor is more traditional. One priest may prefer having Holy Communion in both species available while the other prefers the traditional way of Holy Communion with just one species (the Host).
 
Why is there so much difference between parishes in the same diocese and even odder why is there a difference between priests in the same parish?
Because the Church either permits certain differences, or else guidelines that *are *in place are ignored.

Each pastor has to make a decision for his parish and, human prudence being what it is, this can take different forms in different contexts and between different persons. So long as Father isn’t doing something grossly ridiculous, I think we have a bit of an obligation to practice obedience.
 
I do not understand why there is so much difference between one parish in a diocese and another and especially from one priest to another in the same parish.

I have been a member of my current parish for over 20 years. The last 3 years or so we have had a new pastor and he continually made significant changes to the parish. We had choirs at every Mass and now just have cantors, we received communion in both species with the help of numerous extraordinary ministers but now they have pretty much been eliminated and communion is by 2 priests and 2 deacons at the heaviest attended Masses. They have put in long kneelers (similar to the old communion railing), the children’s Mass has been eliminated, there was a contemporary Mass for young people and the choir that used a guitar has been eliminated. And on and on and on.

For the most part we have been given reasons for these changes yet a neighboring parish still functions as our parish did in the past.

During daily Mass one priest will still have communion bread and wine but when the other priest says the Mass only bread.

I have never experienced so much difference between one parish and another as I have witnessed in the past few years.

Why is there so much difference between parishes in the same diocese and even odder why is there a difference between priests in the same parish?
I had to giggle a bit when I read your post. I have a feeling that many of the CAF regulars would just LOVE your parish.

Anyway, people have different priorities, believe it or not. Some are liturgy maniacs, and some are more social justice oriented.

It’s just personality.
Is the Mass good? Are you receiving Christ in Eucharist worthily?
These are things to worry about. The rest is your personal taste. Just as theirs is. 🤷
 
I do not understand why there is so much difference between one parish in a diocese and another and especially from one priest to another in the same parish.

I have been a member of my current parish for over 20 years. The last 3 years or so we have had a new pastor and he continually made significant changes to the parish. We had choirs at every Mass and now just have cantors, we received communion in both species with the help of numerous extraordinary ministers but now they have pretty much been eliminated and communion is by 2 priests and 2 deacons at the heaviest attended Masses. They have put in long kneelers (similar to the old communion railing), the children’s Mass has been eliminated, there was a contemporary Mass for young people and the choir that used a guitar has been eliminated. And on and on and on.

For the most part we have been given reasons for these changes yet a neighboring parish still functions as our parish did in the past.

During daily Mass one priest will still have communion bread and wine but when the other priest says the Mass only bread.

I have never experienced so much difference between one parish and another as I have witnessed in the past few years.

Why is there so much difference between parishes in the same diocese and even odder why is there a difference between priests in the same parish?
Well, I would applaude these changes as a whole - they indicate a more reverent, more orthodox understanding of the liturgy.

The bolded however, is serious. I hope you mean that he only distributes communion under the species of bread - this is perfectly legitimate. But it’s a very serious crime to offer the sacrifice with just bread and no wine. Canon law uses “nefas” here, meaning severely against Divine law.

I hope this was helpful,
Benedicat Deus,
Latinitas
 
The bolded however, is serious.
I think they meant that one parish offers Holy Communion under both kinds, while the other only offers Communion under the appearances of bread.

Edit: Come to think of it, maybe they were contrasting the way two priests go about things in the same parish? 🤷
 
“…the children’s Mass has been eliminated, there was a contemporary Mass for young people…”
I know I’m dangerous veering off the thread’s topic at hand right now. And OP and other posters, please pardon me. But can’t there be Masses targeted towards children and young people while honoring and celebrating in more traditional forms and ways (like Communion Rails)? There has to be ways to reach the young or am I barking up the wrong tree here (i.e. charitable ventures may be a better avenue)?
 
I know I’m dangerous veering off the thread’s topic at hand right now. And OP and other posters, please pardon me. But can’t there be Masses targeted towards children and young people while honoring and celebrating in more traditional forms and ways (like Communion Rails)? There has to be ways to reach the young or am I barking up the wrong tree here (i.e. charitable ventures may be a better avenue)?
The Mass is targeted at someone…EVERYONE.
There should not be special Masses for certain segments of the parish family.
It does happen that some choirs sing more traditional music so older folks go then, and some sing more recent compositions, and attract the younger crowd, perhaps. But that’s not the intent. The Mass is universal, and for everyone equally.
 
It is simply because people are different. Some priests are traditional and prefer Communion rails & the pipe organ while others dislike these and prefer the modern way of doing things. The priests are different just like how laymen are different in how they practice the faith and in what they like the Mass to be like.
I’m afraid I must respectfully disagree with this opinion. It transcends our personal preferences and the fact that, as individuals, we are different.

Much of it goes back to fundamental principles and how we were formed as priests. That formation impacts how we read implementation documents and apply directives that we receive. Often, too, our decisions are impacted by our experiences as a priest, what we’ve done in the past as well as what we see as preferable. The distribution of Holy Communion is a good example.

The norm in liturgical practice is that for every station where the Body of the Lord is distributed (Please…never “the communion bread and wine” as one wrote. After the consecration, they have ceased to be bread and wine), there should be two ministers with a chalice. This is a logistical practicality to avoid a traffic jam. If you have 4 ciboria, this means 8 chalices…12 ministers of Holy Communion, with some combination of ordinary and extraordinary; unless you’re at a monastery of monks, the Chrism Mass or an ordination Mass, you are unlikely to have 12 ordinary ministers of Communion present.

Due to the doctrine of Eucharistic concomitance (that those who receive one species receive Christ Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity) and given the logistical hardship, personally I normally refrain from having Communion by both species. The sign value of having Communion with both species is greater (take and eat, take and drink), it’s true, but those who have received both the Body of the Lord and the Blood of the Lord have not received “more” of Jesus than those who have received only from the ciborium or only from the chalice. That is not to underestimate the value of the sign of both eating and drinking. But neither must we underestimate the value of the doctrine that those who receive do receive Christ whole and entire under either as well as both species.

On the other hand, some of my brother priests will say that the sign of receiving from both the ciboria and the chalice is so great that it should override other concerns. The liturgical norms broadly permit either and it is a matter of discretion. Two priests may come to different courses of action. Neither is wrong. Personally, I am grateful for the breadth in the norms so that the option is there. There are special occasions where I will say that indeed Communion should be under both species – and I have the latitude to do it. Other occasions, I will say it is not practical – and I have the latitude not to do it.

Similarly, the rubrics stipulate when and how we are to deploy Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion…but when is the need real and urgent? Where I am from, we interpret it strictly and we must demonstrate that the need is both urgent and otherwise unsolvable without them. If I had another priest and two deacons, as one poster describes, my judgement would be that I did not need an extraordinary minister unless I were encountering many hundreds of communicants. On the other hand, if there is no other cleric and I am alone as celebrant with several hundred communicants, then yes I would need more than one to help.

Some priests in parishes where I have been prefer a standard situation in which only the priest celebrant and the deacon assisting at the Mass should distribute and this should be augmented by extraordinary ministers present at that Mass, if necessary. This is because priests go on vacation, have to answer sick calls, have other duties and are otherwise not always available…so one should not presume that other clergy that may or may not be on the premises will always be available to help with Communion. The presumption for them is that only the clergy present at the Mass should be counted on as available and contingencies (in terms of assigning and deploying extraordinary ministers) should be in place to assure the smooth unfolding of the liturgy.

On the other hand, I have known priests who insist that, if the clergy CAN be there, they MUST. Not only is it proper to the clergy to be the ordinary ministers of Holy Communion and extraordinary ministers must be truly “extraordinary” but many people only interact with their parish clergy by seeing them at Mass. If you are not the celebrant and you are not distributing communion (or preaching) you are not seen and contact is important. It is a difference of values, priorities and legitimate differing interpretations of norms that are deliberately broad to allow a necessary latitude to deal with varying situation. If someone is called to the hospital, then someone unassigned can be tagged in an emergency to help distribute Communion without disruption. At the end of the day, both models I have presented work.

The liturgical norms are written such as to give the priest some latitude in choices we make and implement. The values that we hold will underlie what concrete applications we make of those norms. The pride of place to be accorded to the organ would move some priests to say this is a value such that it must be implemented, even in a parish that may not have an organ at present or that has an organ but lacks an organist. Another priest may examine the same situation and conclude that there is a music program that, while not including an organ, is well situated, does a good job and the people are content and satisfied; other situations should be given a higher priority.

But, returning to the questions, all of this can result in widely varying practices between parishes and also between individual priests.
 
Well, I would applaude these changes as a whole - they indicate a more reverent, more orthodox understanding of the liturgy.

The bolded however, is serious. I hope you mean that he only distributes communion under the species of bread - this is perfectly legitimate. But it’s a very serious crime to offer the sacrifice with just bread and no wine. Canon law uses “nefas” here, meaning severely against Divine law.

I hope this was helpful,
Benedicat Deus,
Latinitas
From the context, I am reasonably certain the person means that Communion is only distributed to the laity from the ciboria and that the chalice is not offered to the people.
 
I know I’m dangerous veering off the thread’s topic at hand right now. And OP and other posters, please pardon me. But can’t there be Masses targeted towards children and young people while honoring and celebrating in more traditional forms and ways (like Communion Rails)? There has to be ways to reach the young or am I barking up the wrong tree here (i.e. charitable ventures may be a better avenue)?
I am not sure I am understanding your question correctly but, yes, it is certainly possible to have Mass for only a subset of a parish.

It can happen that, where I have been where there was a convent, I would offer a Mass within the chapel of the convent of the Sisters who teach in the school…and that is just for them. I left it to them if they chose to open it to someone they chose to invite. It is, after all, the oratory inside their community’s home! I would not expect to invite anyone into their home anymore than I would have expected them to invite someone into the rectory. I remember that, occasionally, someone else would be there but very rarely, actually. They would invite people from the parish to prayer sessions they would have – but people of the parish saw that as the domain of the Sisters since it was in the heart of their little convent and you had to go through their home to get into the chapel; it had no door directly from the outside.

I would have a school Mass that was geared to the students and the students would fulfill the various roles of reading, serving, prayers of the faithful, etc. I would also offer Mass at the nursing home within the boundary of the parish and everything would be oriented toward their pastoral care in that Mass, which was normally monthly. I would announce, for example, that at noon on Wednesday, a Mass would be offered in the nursing home down the street and that I would confer the sacrament of anointing at that time; others would certainly not be turned away but it was for a specific segment of the parish family and, to be truthful, rarely did non-residents come…although Catholic staff would ask to attend and were, of course, always warmly welcomed.

From my perspective, it would have been absolutely wrong not to make these special accommodations. The needs of the school children were particular and this gave me the opportunity to focus on the school, which was otherwise so important in the life of the parish. And, of course, the elderly in the nursing home had not the luxury – many at least – of coming to the parish church for Mass anymore. Mass had to come to them.
 
The Mass is targeted at someone…EVERYONE.
There should not be special Masses for certain segments of the parish family.
It does happen that some choirs sing more traditional music so older folks go then, and some sing more recent compositions, and attract the younger crowd, perhaps. But that’s not the intent. The Mass is universal, and for everyone equally.
In practice many parishes will have, more or less frequently, a Sunday Mass where the homily is more “child friendly” and where children are more involved in all aspects as readers, choir, etc. In our parish that was always known as the “Family Mass.”
 
In practice many parishes will have, more or less frequently, a Sunday Mass where the homily is more “child friendly” and where children are more involved in all aspects as readers, choir, etc. In our parish that was always known as the “Family Mass.”
Interesting. We don’t have anything like that around here.
There are Masses that the families tend to congregate at, mostly due to the proximity of the Formation classes. 🙂
 
Why is there so much difference between parishes in the same diocese and even odder why is there a difference between priests in the same parish?
It seems to me the answer is simply that the Church allows for diversity. There are trends of course. Many abandoned practices are being reintroduced. The younger priests often have a preference for the traditional. In the case of the Charlotte Diocese from what I understand it definitely is moving to reclaim more traditional practices.
 
The Mass is targeted at someone…EVERYONE.
There should not be special Masses for certain segments of the parish family.
It does happen that some choirs sing more traditional music so older folks go then, and some sing more recent compositions, and attract the younger crowd, perhaps. But that’s not the intent. The Mass is universal, and for everyone equally.
You make a good point pianistclare.
 
One parish I lived in a few years back had the following masses:

Saturday vigil: fairly middle of the road, not too long or intense, ideal for those going out afterwards

“Early mass”: fairly quiet as you’d expect at the time of the morning

Family Mass: BYO screaming kids (a friend of mine said she loved going to that mass because she didn’t have to worry about her littlies making too much noise!)

Sung mass: bells, smells, choir and a gaggle of servers (you can never have too many)

Midday mass: fairly middle of the road; ideal for those seeking something a bot more low key than the previous mass.

“Folkstyle mass”: Sunday evening; no organ but several guitars (sometimes also a youth mass).
 
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