Why muslims don't apply "Charter of Privileges" ?

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All the discussion about “Islam” can be boiled down to it’s essence…just look at what it has wrought. By their fruits you shall know them. Now let the "Tu quoque " arguments roll:(
This is a valid point have prayed about much,

Indeed i see fruits attributed to Islam that seem rotten.

Where i live i see fruits attributed to Islam that seem good.

I have seen fruits attributed to Christianity that seem rotten.

Where i live i see fruits attributed to Christianity that seem good.

I would plead to My God if there was one good fruit in any religion please don’t destroy them all in that religion.

It may be possible that Islam / Christianity can produce good fruit so i should not destroy the field as God will sort out good from bad on the day of harvest.

My job is only to speak and act about the fruit not the field or vine.

Who among us is flesh is worthy to Judge more than the fruit.
 
** Do you build mosques in your vatican?**

**As a matter of fact, there ARE mosques in Roime.

How many Christian Cathedrals are there in Mecca?**
 
I agree about Jordan and Iraq (pre-war). Your Iran info is wrong, as is your Sudan info. Christians are targeted and killed in Sudan if caught in worship. Syria is correct. However, none of them have the freedom of worship compaired to the US. That is easy to proove. None of them have laws allowing it.

Oh my. if the statement is true, that you guys have access to Christianity, why are so many Muslims ignorant of what Christians beleive? And please do not think that we only use the poor and uneducateds state against them. Muslims have been known to do the same. By and large, religion is used by the poor and uneducated as an escape or to lessen the despair they feel.

Mass missionizing is not allowed because the governments are afraid of a Christian population calling for reforms in government.
  1. Can you give me your info about sudan and iran? you dont need a law to guarantee freedom of worshipped unles may be you have a history of the opposite . Your proof in that point is invalid .
2- Muslims arent ignorant of what christians believe. They know what christians beleve an dthey dont reconcile with it. You dont have to look in the apprtment if you already decided you dont like the neighbourhood.

based on my experience in Egypt . luring by money is alot the case and it happens on mass scale and directed tpo the most poor of areas.

It is silly to think that only when people become christians that they demand reforms . Infact, muslims demand refornms more than christians do in muslim lands. most of the tiem I it is the christians havea deal with the governments . Its muslims who are always in prisons under Marshal laws.

Mass missionizing is arecepie for foreign interventions and civil wars.
 
** Do you build mosques in your vatican?**

**As a matter of fact, there ARE mosques in Roime.

How many Christian Cathedrals are there in Mecca?**
i think you didnt even read my posts .

Its not muslim problem that you shrunk your vatican to a size of your a public garden. For us muslims our ''vatican like ‘’ area is the whole of saudi arabia. we have communicated that countless times before . and it has always been that way for more than a thousands years.

compare saudi with the vatican
compare rome with cairo

simple
 
  1. Can you give me your info about sudan and iran? you dont need a law to guarantee freedom of worshipped unles may be you have a history of the opposite . Your proof in that point is invalid .
Not true about the need for a law. Forward thinking people pass laws before the problem comes about. The American founders had suffered under other nation’s rules against religions and so they took steps to keep it from happening here.

You can google the status of Christians in the Sudan and Iran, but to help here is one from Time Magazine
time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,829787,00.html

and one on Iran from US News.

usnews.com/articles/news/world/2008/05/08/in-iran-covert-christian-converts-live-with-secrecy-and-fear.html

According to almost every Human Rights organization in the World, Muslim nations are the most oppressive towards other religions. They are also the most mysaginistic (anti-women) and the most oppressive in laws after the Communists,=.
2- Muslims arent ignorant of what christians believe. They know what christians beleve an dthey dont reconcile with it. You dont have to look in the apprtment if you already decided you dont like the neighbourhood.
Again, my experiance has not shown this to be the case. Even the Qur’an is wrong about what Christians beleive.
based on my experience in Egypt . luring by money is alot the case and it happens on mass scale and directed tpo the most poor of areas.
As a rule, this is not done. You may have seen differently. I will not argue that point.
It is silly to think that only when people become christians that they demand reforms . Infact, muslims demand refornms more than christians do in muslim lands. most of the tiem I it is the christians havea deal with the governments . Its muslims who are always in prisons under Marshal laws.
Mass missionizing is arecepie for foreign interventions and civil wars.
Then why are so many Muslim nations plagued by opressive and corrupt governments? Why is the government of SA so bad? Iran? Sudan? As long as Christians can be persecuted for being Christian, there is no reason to change. Next time some Christian gets arrested for naming a teddy bear Muhammed and riots break out because she is not killed, remember my posts. It is ok for a terrorist to be named Muhammed, but not a stuffed animal.

I disagree about Civil wars comign from conversion. They come from sinful people.
 
Not true about the need for a law. Forward thinking people pass laws before the problem comes about. The American founders had suffered under other nation’s rules against religions and so they took steps to keep it from happening here.

According to almost every Human Rights organization in the World, Muslim nations are the most oppressive towards other religions. They are also the most mysaginistic (anti-women) and the most oppressive in laws after the Communists,=.

Again, my experiance has not shown this to be the case. Even the Qur’an is wrong about what Christians beleive.

As a rule, this is not done. You may have seen differently. I will not argue that point.

Then why are so many Muslim nations plagued by opressive and corrupt governments? Why is the government of SA so bad? Iran? Sudan? As long as Christians can be persecuted for being Christian, there is no reason to change. Next time some Christian gets arrested for naming a teddy bear Muhammed and riots break out because she is not killed, remember my posts. It is ok for a terrorist to be named Muhammed, but not a stuffed animal.

I disagree about Civil wars comign from conversion. They come from sinful people.
we are not the founding fathers of america. what works for you doesnt necessarily works for me .

Your articles didnt bring anything different from what i was saying , in fact it reinforced it. as i said sudan was in civil war and the regulations the sufdanese has put was valid so not to have chaeos in the country. It is very well known that the catholic church has worked so many times with western foreign intelligence services even putting brutal dictators who are catholics on non catholic countries ( like south vietnam at the time of the vietnam war, read the book , legacy of ashes ) . Givin that proven history. they will be treated with suspicion . and righfully so.

besides there is nothing wrong that you have to have a permission to build a chappel or a church . You do that in america and europe all the time with mosques.

the quran is not wrong about christians believe , your own understanding if what the quran says about christians is wrong. I have proven that at least 10 times on this forum alone .

Islma in general treat women better than Christianity treat women . Muslims are in porr countries with poor education, tht leads to acts that goes against islam , like not caring about womens educational needs and freedoms. Its not islams problem its poverty.

Muslims arent repressive towards minorities, they are warry of western use of them . It has happened before. The worst offences against minorities have always been christians , Holocausts inquisitions and forced conversions of latin americans into catholicicsm etc…

Muslims are plagued by repressive governments in big part because christian countries like to install their dictators . Does the ‘‘Operation Ajax’’ in Iran in the 50s ring any bell ? Christian countries have been doing so in muslim countries only but in the world all over. Look up also what america did in the 60 to the democratic rulers in Indonesia .
 
we are not the founding fathers of america. what works for you doesnt necessarily works for me .
Then would it be fair to say that Muslims should keep their religion and their laws to themselves alone?
Your articles didnt bring anything different from what i was saying , in fact it reinforced it. as i said sudan was in civil war and the regulations the sufdanese has put was valid so not to have chaeos in the country. It is very well known that the catholic church has worked so many times with western foreign intelligence services even putting brutal dictators who are catholics on non catholic countries ( like south vietnam at the time of the vietnam war, read the book , legacy of ashes ) . Givin that proven history. they will be treated with suspicion . and righfully so.
So the mass murder of Christians and animists and the sale of survivors into slavery is ok if it keeps the peace?
besides there is nothing wrong that you have to have a permission to build a chappel or a church . You do that in america and europe all the time with mosques.
I am not talking about building permits here. That is another issue. I am discussing if it is allowed at all. In Indonesia, Churches are destroyed by Muslim mobs and the government does nothing.
the quran is not wrong about christians believe , your own understanding if what the quran says about christians is wrong. I have proven that at least 10 times on this forum alone .
It says that the Trinity is God, Jesus and Mary for one thing. It calls us people of the Book. It tells you that Jesus was not crucified and did not die.
Islma in general treat women better than Christianity treat women . Muslims are in porr countries with poor education, tht leads to acts that goes against islam , like not caring about womens educational needs and freedoms. Its not islams problem its poverty.
I will not get into the women in Islam thing again. I will concede that the bigger problems are ones of poverty and education. That is true.
Muslims arent repressive towards minorities, they are warry of western use of them . It has happened before. The worst offences against minorities have always been christians , Holocausts inquisitions and forced conversions of latin americans into catholicicsm etc…
Another topic for another time. ONly both of us should be willing to admit that there have been forced conversions on the other side
Muslims are plagued by repressive governments in big part because christian countries like to install their dictators . Does the ‘‘Operation Ajax’’ in Iran in the 50s ring any bell ? Christian countries have been doing so in muslim countries only but in the world all over. Look up also what america did in the 60 to the democratic rulers in Indonesia .
To be honest, America is not a Christian nation. We are a nation with a predominant Christian population, but our government is secular and does not promote one creed over another intentionally.

But, why are Muslims who convert to Christianity fearful of being executed in Iran and SA?
 
Then would it be fair to say that Muslims should keep their religion and their laws to themselves alone?

Muslims already do that. i dont care if you eat pork or not .

So the mass murder of Christians and animists and the sale of survivors into slavery is ok if it keeps the peace?

No, but if you work with foreign governments against yiour own country then you will get what you deserve.

I am not talking about building permits here. That is another issue. I am discussing if it is allowed at all. In Indonesia, Churches are destroyed by Muslim mobs and the government does nothing.

so in america , a mosques is attacked in america on average every two weeks

It says that the Trinity is God, Jesus and Mary for one thing.

It doesnt say that at all. I challenge you to get me the text in teh quran that says that .

It calls us people of the Book. It tells you that Jesus was not crucified and did not die.

Yes it does, that is our version of the story, it doesnt twist what you believe or claim that this is what you believe

I will not get into the women in Islam thing again. I will concede that the bigger problems are ones of poverty and education. That is true.

Another topic for another time. ONly both of us should be willing to admit that there have been forced conversions on the other side
forced conversions happen with the uneducated or bigoted people on both sides and along the histyory

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