Why so many responses of the people in novus ordo?

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I just recently began going to the novus ordo. I was raised only going to the traditional form. Since college it’s just easier to go to the new mass but I am kind of confused why the people are required to say so much, I was always taught only the priest was responsible for the mass and the consecration. And why does the priest face us, it seems he should be facing God in the tabernacle no? It feels like a dialogue more so than a speaking to Christ in the tabernacle. Some other things bother me like ordinary people giving the eucharist. I am not like trying to cause a argument by any means it just a lot of things I was always taught by the priests of the society of saint Pius x is so null in void at the new mass. I feel so insecure with these college students who know everything to a tee and I must seem like I don’t know anything. It sometimes makes me not even want to go to mass because it feels so foreign.
 
In the traditional form, often the servers say the parts of the people, but the people sometime do to. Well before the novus ordo, “dialogue masses” became popular where the people all said the server parts. Many places that say the traditional form still do this. The point was to emphasize the whole Body of Christ taking part in the liturgy.

Along those same lines, with regard to turning the priest around, Pius XII’s encyclical Mystici Corporis renewed focus on the Church as one body worshiping the one God by participating in the one sacrifice. To emphasize this, many liturgical reformers promoted an emphasis on unity in corporate worship–everyone was supposed to be uniformly focused as one body on what was happening on the altar. This sometimes meant getting rid of side altars, ornate reredos, statues, and even the reserved Sacrament–but usually turning the priest around so everyone could see and focus on the sacrifice on the altar itself. Again, this began before the novus ordo and is not even required in the novus ordo, but it pretty much became the almost universally popular option.

Of course, as the liturgical reform lost focus, different, often contradictory movements of reform were all thrust together, experimented with, etc. and so the changes often acquired different meanings. For whatever reason, the priest turning around is more often associated now with the priest engaging with the people more.
 
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Theprodigalson84j said:
I feel so insecure with these college students who know everything to a tee and I must seem like I don’t know anything.
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1.2 billion Catholics, do you imagine that it’s just you and me who know so little?

Love God with all your being, love your neighbour as yourself.

Blessed are the poor in spirit.

Peace be with you .
 
Matthew 5:3-12

3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
 
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I’d imagine, he’d have said it in Aramaic, and not to mention, if we’re going to be going by how ancient language used in the Liturgy is, Greek has been used longer than Latin, and Greek is still used. I’ve been to liturgies in Syriac, I’ve been the ones in a mix between Arabic, Greek, and English. not to mention others, there’s this widely Mis held conception, that the Church has always used Latin, and this just simply isn’t the case. There’s nothing wrong with Latin, but the Church has always been quite diverse in her Linguistics, generally she has used, in the Liturgy, whatever the lingua Franca was in the region. I think, this is probably why the New Testament is written in Greek, and not Latin, because in that part of the Roman Empire, they would not have spoken Latin. But, at the same time, why is the letter to the Romans written in Greek? Well, it turns out, because they used the Liturgy in Greek. In fact, when Latin was introduced into the Liturgy, people complained about it, because they had been using Greek before. I feel like this is such a non-issue, and it is, as my grandma, would have said, making a mountain out of a molehill. I’m not sure where people got the idea of the Latin was ever Universal anyway, that was only true in the West, maronites did not use Latin.
 
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It really has nothing to do with the language. I have a missal to follow the tridentine mass. I never had a problem since the priest read over the readings in the vernacular anyways. Stuff like the priest does the sign of the cross over the eucharist during the consecration I think 52 times and the novus ordo its once. Also i feel like the eucharistic prayer used is so incredibly short. Its definitely not the canon of mass but some different prayer.But the responses I don’t get a lot of them, and I never had done the sign of peace before, what is that about? And why do we say the Protestant end of the lords prayer ?
I’m not kidding I never had been to the new mass before my parents always spoke bad about it but I thought I would give it a try.
 
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TBH the responses and the inclusion of the OT readings are what I do think are the strengths of the Novus Ordo Mass.

I do think the priest should face the other way, some Latin should be used, as well as more solemn music.

But I find that the responses help me to really focus on what is taking place and to engage in it more actively.
 
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Maybe the Church chose Latin, Greek, and Hebrew in one liturgy because they were the languages identifying Christ above the cross?
 
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I’m not saying it isn’t reverent I just am having a difficult time adjusting to it and theres things done I don’t get. A lot of time I’m used to kneeling we stand or even sit instead.And during the creed noone gets on their knees and there is no psalm 42 in the beginning, no last gospel, no leonine prayers. It is like I was lost the first time I went. I was expecting the priest to do the dismissal and then do the last gospel but he just walked out. And there were no prayers at the altar. That’s not in the “ordinary mass” I take it?
 
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There was no theological reason for removing Psalm 42 from the Mass. Pope Benedict pretty much said so when allowing the Ordinariate Masses.
 
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This is the way people that always go to the OF (Ordinary Form) feel when going to the Latin Mass for the first time. Why so little participation? Why is the priest facing the other way? Etc. you will get used to it if you go often enough and you may even like it!
 
I would look at it this way, the divine liturgy is not a magical incantation, meant to be spoken only by initiates into a special class. That’s Gnosticism at its finest. Rather, the divine liturgy is the means by which the Word of God is given to the people. It is the proclamation of the gospel, telling you personally that Christ died for you. So in that light, the introduction of forms of the divine liturgy that provided more participation from the congregation was meant to have the priest proclaim the gospel, and the congregation receive and respond to the gospel. In addition, participatory forms of the divine liturgy were meant to instruct and catechize those participating in the service.
 
Psalm 42 is the opening of the mass before the actual liturgy begins I believe. Or perhaps it is the official beginning of mass. It is a dialogue between the priest and altar server also called “Judica me” I believe it says in the missal.
John 1:1-14 is the last gospel and everyone kneels when the priest says “and the word was made flesh”
And the Leonine prayers are three ave Maria’s, a salve regina, prayer of the priest, prayer of saint Michael and three most sacred heart of Jesus.
 
Where?? It ends after “But deliver us from evil” in my Douay Rheims Bible and my Clementine Vulgate.
 
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I agree actually it was after reading Pope Francis newest apostolic exhortation "Gaudete et Exsultate " that I decided it isn’t all about the form of the mass. I’m not a schismatic. I think my parents are on the border they speak bad about Vatican 2 and seem to adhere to the SSPX view and that’s what I grew up with but I’m trying to get out of that isolated bubble.
 
The final part of the Lord’s Prayer is in the Didache which was written in the first 100 years after Christ died, before the Bible was canonized.
 
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