Why the Propaganda?

[Mickey]

SDAgirl:

I would consider it a sad day when fellow friends in Jesus would spread lies about each other

Yes. We must always be minful of our charity (especially on a forum such as this). I do not always respond in the most charitable way because I am a wretched sinner. But we must be mindful of what the Scriptures say:

If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And if I should distribute all my goods to feed the poor, and if I should deliver my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. 1Cor 13: 1-3

 

[Della]

Originally Posted by Mike_D30
Godwin’s Law already in effect…

SDAgirl:
And please don’t interpret me as identifying Hitler with the CC. It was just a type. We have a set statement of beliefs and always have. My original statement so many lines ago was simply that I agreed with the CATHOLIC writer that the ADVENTIST should not make assumptions about the Catholic church based on one persons words. And then it got turned around on me. Is this what I can expect from your chat rooms?

If I may be so bold as to speak for Mike, I think he is just referring to Godwin’s Law that says, as I recall, that as soon as anyone uses Hitler as an example the thread gets off track or ends because people react so strongly to that name. We try to avoid using Hitler for harmless examples here because his name is such a loaded one.

 

[Ignatius]

sadie2723:

We have all witnessed it. People on this site, and out in the world, inventing lies about the Catholic Church. I just went a couple of rounds with someone over this very thing on another thread. My question is why? If the Reformation and being Protestant is so great, why do some Protestants have to lie to make their point? Is the arguement that weak? Where are the lies being taught?

I’ve often asked the same thing myself.

 

[MariaG]

SDAgirl:

And our church has official teachings as well. I do not say that mine are more important or truthful than yours…Do you understand the idea of one creed, but personal interpretation?

Of course. But what you will find in the Catholic Church is an official position and if you do not to agree with that position, then you need to:

A. Try to conform your conscience to that of the Church since you know the Church is right.

B. Leave.

C. Stay and become a “Cafeteria Catholic”, someone who becomes there own pope and defines their own beliefs, which is not really Catholic at all.

There is not a whole lot of room for “personal interpretation” of the creed or in reality, being your own pope in the Catholic church, in relation to things like the creed.

God Bless,
Maria

 

[Orionthehunter]

MariaG:

Of course. But what you will find in the Catholic Church is an official position and if you do not to agree with that position, then you need to:

A. Try to conform your conscience to that of the Church since you know the Church is right.

B. Leave.

C. Stay and become a “Cafeteria Catholic”, someone who becomes there own pope and defines their own beliefs, which is not really Catholic at all.

There is not a whole lot of room for “personal interpretation” of the creed or in reality, being your own pope in the Catholic church, in relation to things like the creed.

God Bless,
Maria

Maria, you must not realize that SDAgirl is a Seventh Day Adventists.

 

[MariaG]

Orionthehunter:

Maria, you must not realize that SDAgirl is a Seventh Day Adventists.

Yes, I did. But I believe she was trying to point out that even within the Catholic Church there is personal interpretation of things like the Creed. That is just not true. For a Catholic Christian, as you know, we need to conform our Conscience to the teachings of the Church, not personally interpret it to our own liking.

I believe, and if I am wrong, I humbly apologize, that SDAgirl was trying to show that there can be a varying degree of “personal interpretations” among SDA as well as Catholic.

I was trying to show that there is little room for a Devout Catholic to have “personal interpretation” in things like the Creed, which she specifically mentioned.

I am guessing I did a poor job of it:crying:

God Bless,
Maria

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

And, I always though Godwin’s Law was something to the effect, If one were to produce an infallible commentary on scripture, then people would fight about what that commentary meant to say. How many rules did Godwin write?

 

[Mike_D30]

Daniel Marsh:

And, I always though Godwin’s Law was something to the effect, If one were to produce an infallible commentary on scripture, then people would fight about what that commentary meant to say. How many rules did Godwin write?

Godwin’s Law (also Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies) is, in Internet culture, an adage originated in 1990 by Mike Godwin that states:
As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.[1]

 

[Della]

Mike_D30:

Godwin’s Law (also Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies) is, in Internet culture, an adage originated in 1990 by Mike Godwin that states:

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.[1]

Ah, okay.

I got it wrong, but I wasn’t too far off, was I?

 

[Mike_D30]

Della:

Ah, okay.

I got it wrong, but I wasn’t too far off, was I?

Yeah you were close, essentially Godwin believes (and I agree) that using these analogies are a way to show complete disdain for those you are in a discussion with by comparing them to Hitler. Even though in context it could be read as a simple analogy, anytime someone compares anything to Hitler, it’s a dig, and the one who made the comparison is fully aware of the dig they made.

The only time that Godwin’s Law isn’t in effect is if Naziism or Hitler would reasonably show up in a discussion say on WWII or facism. But if it is used in any other anology it is essentially a way to insult them and compare them to nazis and get away with it.

 

[jonfan]

So the SDA’s are Godwin fearing Hitler junkies? Godwins law has proven accurate without us even realizing it.

 

[alwaysreforming]

sadie2723:

We have all witnessed it. People on this site, and out in the world, inventing lies about the Catholic Church. I just went a couple of rounds with someone over this very thing on another thread. My question is why? If the Reformation and being Protestant is so great, why do some Protestants have to lie to make their point? Is the arguement that weak? Where are the lies being taught?

Finally, have the Protestants on this forum, and out in the world, ever considered that if they are reading authors and hearing preachers that they respect tell them these lies…how can they then trust these authors and preachers with something as important as their salvation?

As a Protestant, I have been very outspoken against Jack Chick, Alberto Rivera, etc. Just like there are some ignorant, unreasonable Catholics, there will be some ignorant, unreasonable Protestants.

 

[Jeanette_L]

What I think is the saddest part of all this absurd propoganda, that I have just recently been subjected to also by my family, is that a lot of Catholics are completely unprepared to know how to defend their faith against this crazy stuff.

I’ve just started a conversation with some RCIA people at my parish to see if we can get some type of program started where we can actually present some of this garbage to our parishioners and show them, first of all, what Fundamentalists actually believe about Catholicism, and second, how to defend their faith if they are attacked with these propoganda tools.

I think it’s high time Catholics got their head out of the sand and realized that this stuff is not going away, the damage is being done as millions of Catholics have left and are still leaving the Church because they didn’t even know their faith well enough to know these lies when they were presented.

Anyone know if there may already be a program assembled for such a task? I mean, complete with the propoganda videos, tracks, books… that show just how hateful some of these people are and how to recognize lies when they see them and defend themselves.

 

[sadie2723]

Jeanette L:

What I think is the saddest part of all this absurd propoganda, that I have just recently been subjected to also by my family, is that a lot of Catholics are completely unprepared to know how to defend their faith against this crazy stuff.

I’ve just started a conversation with some RCIA people at my parish to see if we can get some type of program started where we can actually present some of this garbage to our parishioners and show them, first of all, what Fundamentalists actually believe about Catholicism, and second, how to defend their faith if they are attacked with these propoganda tools.

I think it’s high time Catholics got their head out of the sand and realized that this stuff is not going away, the damage is being done as millions of Catholics have left and are still leaving the Church because they didn’t even know their faith well enough to know these lies when they were presented.

Anyone know if there may already be a program assembled for such a task? I mean, complete with the propoganda videos, tracks, books… that show just how hateful some of these people are and how to recognize lies when they see them and defend themselves.

My parish now has a Bible study that we are doing, and we are teaching apologetics at the end of it every week. We need to, as several times per year the Evangelicals some and picket in front of my church and try to block those attempting to enter the Mass. My priest loves this, as he is a master apologist and loves to talk to them.

Be that as it may, it is essential for all of us to learn how to defend Rome. PM me if you want a few tips on getting started.

 

[Beeline]

jrabs:

I think lie is a strong word and I honestly do not believe they are lying. Many people earnestly believe what they preach just as fervently as you believe in Catholicism.

I think it is more of a case of being blinded to the truth. I also think the only thing that will break this barrier is prayer.

Actually a whole host of anti-catholic sites frequently
get pointed out there errors but they dont change
their ways or their accusations. The end justifies the means!

 

[Della]

sadie2723:

My parish now has a Bible study that we are doing, and we are teaching apologetics at the end of it every week. We need to, as several times per year the Evangelicals some and picket in front of my church and try to block those attempting to enter the Mass. My priest loves this, as he is a master apologist and loves to talk to them.

Be that as it may, it is essential for all of us to learn how to defend Rome. PM me if you want a few tips on getting started.

How would these people like it if the shoe were on the other foot and Catholics were picketing their church, carrying a large statue of Mary? Your current priest may love it, but the one following him will have a mess on his hands that he may not want to deal with. No matter where you live in the USA this sort of thing is just plain wrong.

The local Baptist church sent their people over to our parish to leave their tracts on our cars. Our priest immediately called their pastor and complained about their outright attempt at proselyzation. If your priest did the same thing, I’m willing to bet the asinine picketing would be stopped pronto.