Why would this happen? How would you explain it?

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My cousin told me a very sad story tonight.

Two years ago, a very devout couple in my hometown were having their home enthroned to The Sacred Heart. After the enthronement ceremony had ended, someone accidently left a candle burning in the couple’s home.

A fire started and the husband, his daughter and her baby girl all died, found huddled against a door.

Hearing this shook me to the core. How does one find answers here? What would a priest have to say about such a thing?

My faith remains strong even after hearing this story, but I can understand how others would have their faith shaken by this, and others might even lose their faith entirely.

I guess I wouldn’t know how to explain this to someone whose faith was already weak.
 
I guess some could say that on giving themselves to the Lord, He accepted them eternally, and that they were protected from all future sin or error.

However I would say,
that a candle left burning in some precarious manner is an unfortunate human error.
God does not ordain all our human acts or those things which we overlook.

Regardless, this is a great tragedy,
and though it was two years ago,
my prayers for the family in their awful danger and fear before succumbing to death, and for their grieved family.
And for the faith and protection of those scandalized by this awful occurrence that followed a religious event.
 
How tragic, esp for the wife, if she survived. God bless them and their loved ones who miss them so.

Ultimately, I don’t think it’s up to us to explain ‘why God allows’ or ‘why God does’ this or that horrible thing. Accidents happen. People in pain do terrible things. Desperate people act desperately. I think they have more to do with human mistakes and failures than with God wreaking havoc in our lives. I don’t see God in that way.

That said, I also believe that God is present with us in every trial and that by grace, all things - even the most horrible - can work for good in our lives and the lives of others.

I have a friend who lost two children to accidents, then had twins who had a fatal congenital defect and died before they were eight. How she kept her peaceful trust through it all, I cannot humanly imagine. Surely she was in the secret place! Her model and example, however, touched far more than the members of our small parish and I trust brought many to look for a faith powerful enough to sustain them in the trials of their own lives. I don’t know that, but I believe it. It’s the best I can do when confronted with such tragic stories. Blessings.
 
My cousin told me a very sad story tonight.

Two years ago, a very devout couple in my hometown were having their home enthroned to The Sacred Heart. After the enthronement ceremony had ended, someone accidently left a candle burning in the couple’s home.

A fire started and the husband, his daughter and her baby girl all died, found huddled against a door.

Hearing this shook me to the core. How does one find answers here? What would a priest have to say about such a thing?

My faith remains strong even after hearing this story, but I can understand how others would have their faith shaken by this, and others might even lose their faith entirely.

I guess I wouldn’t know how to explain this to someone whose faith was already weak.
That whole family could have all very well been taken to heaven and united with our Lord after so devoutly professing their faith in Him earlier that day…

It may only look like a tragedy from our point of view here on earth. 🙂
 
In fact there is nothing unusual here. So far God has prevented the deaths, in Catholic teaching, of possibly exactly one of the faithful (the Blessed Virgin Mary). All others have died, including himself. Had the family been asked beforehand: do you think your religious ritual will protect you from fire? they would have said ‘no’. So as I understand it, as an unbeliever, there is nothing special to explain.

What remains to explain is pain and suffering itself, and why it happens to the innocent, including animals and very young children. The best Christians have to explain why an all-powerful and all-loving God would arrange things in such a way is to say that either
  • he is not all-powerful “can’t interfere in free will etc”, which fails to answer the objection, or
  • that there is a ‘mystery’ about his love, which means it all comes right in the end, despite the fact we can’t understand it, which is a variation of ‘I don’t know’.
I hope no unbelievers attempt to take advantage of this tragedy; we have enough examples of pain and suffering without singling out this particular case.
 
We have crucifixes in our homes and churches, and not merely crosses, because the battle is still on. The Crucifix does not say to us, “Be faithful, and nothing bad can ever happen to you.” The Crucifix says, rather, “Be faithful, because Almighty God can take the worst thing that ever happened and transform it into the best thing that ever happened.”

That transformation is our hope…“Faith is the realization of what is hoped for and evidence of things not seen” (Heb. 11:1).

Actually, read Hebrews 11. It speaks very well to this question.
 
You have asked some very hard questions, nancymarie. I don’t think they can be easily answered and I don’t think I can answer very well myself. Human error is obviously a factor in the case you cited, but it goes beyond that. We live in a fallen world and so we suffer.

I remember reading something about the 9/11 terrorist attacks and related subjects, innocent suffering, etc., on the EWTN site that might be helpful to a degree. It isn’t the same thing exactly but it may aid some degree of understanding.

Here is a blue excerpt followed by the link if you want to read further.

"Difficult Questions Regarding the Terror Attacks

One of the most vexing problems in theology is the problem of evil. If God is good why does He permit great evils, such as the terrorist attacks of 11 September? Could He not, with a mere thought, stop all evil in its tracks, protecting lives and souls from destruction, physical or moral? Is not His goodness diminished when innocent people suffer at the hands of evil men? "…

ewtn.com/expert/answers/WTC_difficult_questions.htm
 
Yes, it is difficult to understand why things such as this happen. But we have free will, God does not mechanically control people as that is not the definition of love. and humans make mistakes and sometimes they are tragic.

I’ve lost four family members to cancer in less than four years. I don’t believe God made them sick, cancer is just a result of our fallen human state.
 
It’s shocking until you remember that death isn’t the worst thing that can happen to you! Heck, in some cases – and in every case of a soul in a state of grace – dying is a good thing. What if it was merciful? Doesn’t the Bible say that the “righteous are taken away and no one considers that it was to spare them from the evil to come”? Jesus never promised a long, prosperous life, just that God would take care of you until the “second or the third watch” — that God decides when you die, and no one else. Even Paul looked forward in some sense to his death. It’s been baptized, and now it has no sting or victory because it’s become a blessing in disguise.

Memento mori everyone.

EDIT: When I say that God decides when death occurs, I’m not trying to say that He’s up there plotting out abortions and stuff. Sometimes it is His direct will, like with the 3000 that fell in the desert. Most of the time He simply permits it. But I don’t think there’s any other logical way of seeing this because we all know God could stop every death if He wanted to do it. If someone dies of sickness, God technically could have healed them. If someone has a heart attack, He could technically raise them Lazarus-style. et cetera.
 
Sometimes God wants to take us home early. It could mean he loves us but could also mean he is saving us from some terrible future event. In any case, we should not doubt that God is in control and we should keep fighting as the church militant.
 
Yes, it is difficult to understand why things such as this happen. But we have free will, God does not mechanically control people as that is not the definition of love. and humans make mistakes and sometimes they are tragic.

I’ve lost four family members to cancer in less than four years. I don’t believe God made them sick, cancer is just a result of our fallen human state.
I absolutely sympathesize with you. I can only imagine that it must have been a very trying period for your spirituality to have to go through that. I pray that one day you can see how it was a part of God’s plan for your family members to be taken from you when they were. God may not have created the cancer but it was by His Hand that He allowed it to happen (and whatever reason He had, it was a very good one that was possibly vital to the salvation of you and your family members!)

I just simply don’t believe that anything happens by coincidence or by its own accord. I truly believe that when a person dies they have been given every chance possible to attain salvation. God then allows a person’s life to be taken only when their salvation has either been secured, or they have finally and completely choosen Satan as their master. Our vocational duties on this earth are just stepping stones that are intended to lead us to heaven (even the really small ones that don’t seem to have a purpose, like driving home from the grocery store all play a part!)

I think that when we attribute things to “chance” we are kind of taking God and putting Him in a far off place. I honestly believe that this displeases God… I believe God would rather have us to blame Him then be angry at one of our brothers or sisters (or with ourselves). God needs to be the center of our life through the good times and the bad (and the bad is when we need Him most). So when going through these horrible points in life, put God right in the center of it all and realize that everything that happened was a part of His plan (even if this makes you feel like rejecting His love in the moment, this is still better then to blame someone else).
 
I don’t know about all of the spiritual ramifications. I do know that when candles are left burning unattended, conflagrations can occur and people can die.

Our Lord has a permissive will, in that He does not always violate His laws of physics, chemistry, and biology. We people are supposed to take ordinary care of our bodies and our health, and that would include such things as taking due care that a candle is not left to burn unattended. He gave us intellect and will, and expects us to use them. He wouldn’t have bothered to have given us those things if He did not expect us to use them.

This sounds like it was nothing more than an unfortunate accident. Many, if not most, accidents occur when people do not use their facilities of intellect and will. I have no intention of speaking ill of the dead, but someone should have made a last sweep of the house before going to bed and ensured that all flames were extinguished. The candle in question could just as easily have been a mood candle, a bath candle, a candle in some home decorations, or any one of a number of scenarios. It was a bad turn of events that the candle was associated with the Blessed Mother’s enthronement in the home. And yes, it’s very sad.

My prayers go out for all involved, living and dead. May their souls, and all the souls of the faithful departed through the Mercy of God rest in peace.
 
What a tragic, terrible, loss. I don’t know if I could recover from such an event if it were my husband and children. I would be shattered. My only consolation might be that the 2 children were in daddy’s arms when they went to sleep, and went directly to the arms of God our Father. From love to Love.

How to explain it? I have an email friend that liked to tell me what a cruel God I serve every time a natural event happens where people are killed. Like that Boxing day tsunami where, without warning, a huge wave comes ashore and takes many many people out to sea. How very very sad and tragic, the loss of life.

After some time passed and this event was not so prominent in her mind, I asked her some questions.

**1) **How would you like to die, would you prefer to have cancer and spend a few years living with treatments only to find it was in vain and you died anyway? Or, would you like some short amount of suffering, under 10 min let’s say, and die quickly? (She picked the under 10 min suffering option)

2) If you had cancer, let’s say, and were going to die in 2 years, if you could pick, would you prefer to die sooner and while still relatively healthy, or would you pick to live the entire amount of time, and die by inches. She picked the former, die sooner while relatively healthy.

3) If you were going to die quickly, under 10 min, would you like to know what day that would be a head of time? Or, would you prefer the surprise!! then it’s over before you can even think about it. She picked the surprise option.

Now interestingly enough, when you see how those people died in the tsunami, they died with her preferred options. 1) quickly, in under 10 mins and 2) dieing while still relatively healthy and 3) a surprise! then it’s over.

Her reply was Well, you really made me rethink this whole thing.

Maybe God isn’t a cruel tyrant like she though he was. I hope this example helps you and anyone reading. God bless.
 
I agree. Death is our doorway into eternity. It isn’t the evil enemy, but a friend who takes us to a better place. Life here may be good, but it’s better in heaven. I don’t mean to trivialize suffering, but to agree with others who have pointed out that when we have faith, we can and probably should have a more benign view of death/dying.
 
In fact there is nothing unusual here. So far God has prevented the deaths, in Catholic teaching, of possibly exactly one of the faithful (the Blessed Virgin Mary). All others have died, including himself. Had the family been asked beforehand: do you think your religious ritual will protect you from fire? they would have said ‘no’. So as I understand it, as an unbeliever, there is nothing special to explain.
I completely agree with what Hokomai is saying here. The story is so sad, and I can see that people who know this family will cry out “why God, why?” As someone far away, my first reaction was, “How terribly sad - if only that person hadn’t made the terrible judgement to leave the candle burning.” Really, if you watch the news (which I don’t, usually) you will find story after story of terrible things happening - especially fires - to good people. We don’t always cry out in agony to God, because we don’t know the beauty that was in THAT person’s soul, and we don’t know what wonderful thing THAT person might have done the night before they died. I don’t mean to trivialize your reaction to this incident, but while these people may have been special, it is hard to examine the lives of others who were tragically cut short and to say, “well I can see why they deserved this.”

And so…
What remains to explain is pain and suffering itself, and why it happens to the innocent, including animals and very young children.
I think this is really the question that is being asked. Hokomai, not being a believer him (her?) self, gave 2 possible reasons that a Christian might come up with:
  • he is not all-powerful “can’t interfere in free will etc”, which fails to answer the objection, or
  • that there is a ‘mystery’ about his love, which means it all comes right in the end, despite the fact we can’t understand it, which is a variation of ‘I don’t know’.
  • I, as a believer, would add the third reason that tragedies in our world happen according to the basic natural law. Every action has a reaction. A bad person comes at a good person with a knife, natural law does not allow a forcefield to be raised around the good person; the good person’s body is penetrable like any others. A candle is left burning too close to a wall, and as happens with fire, a spark might fly, and as happens with flammable materials, drywall might ignite…It is simply the natural law that has been operating since the day Adam and Eve took the apple.
This may not be the way the earth was originally created to run - perhaps the natural law would be different had sin not corrupted it. Humans wouldn’t die, that’s for sure. But God allows us to make choices freely, and he chooses NOT to interfere with the natural law most of the time. I believe that this is because if he chose to intervene everytime, then there would be no consequence of our sin, and there would be no way for people to choose to love him despite the hardship, because there would be no hardship. It’s why he gave Adam and Eve free will in the first place, and why he allowed them to experience the consequences of their choice when they chose wrong. He wants us to love him freely, which necessarily requires that we can also choose not to.

I have certainly wondered why God didn’t say, “ok, let’s kill off Adam and Eve and have a do-over.” or why he allowed all of salvation history to play out the way it did (think of the suffering of the Israelites for all of those years before the savior came), and why after Jesus saved us, it still wasn’t like “poof, now we’ll go back to the way it was before the fall.” Again, I do believe it has to do with free will allowing us to choose wrong or right so that when we choose God, the reward for us, and the love he gets from us, is sweeter.

I know that God does intervene against natural law sometimes. There are miracles. In my children’s religion course, they have to memorize the answer to the question, “Why did Jesus perform miracles?” The answer (at their level) is, “because he felt sorry for people, and because he wanted to show them that he was God.” So we see in catechesis, that the miracles that God performs have a calculated purpose. And Jesus didn’t heal every sick person, raise every good dead person from the dead, etc… Certainly, he allowed some people in his vicinity to suffer and die, and chose his miracles for a reason. In modern times, he has his reasons why he chooses to performs miracles certain times and not others - and these, for sure, are a mystery. One thing to consider is that we don’t truly know that he didn’t intervene. We don’t know what good might come of this terrible tragedy. I have wondered in the past, if a child who died young, was assured salvation, and if it was possible that God knew that that child was going to turn away from him in later years, and lose salvation. The same might be true of an adult. What is the other path that might happen if this didn’t? Was it definitely worse? What would that child and adult say to us from heaven about it? What other forms of intervention is God providing in our lives, or in the lives of those who loved the victims that we might not see right now?

None of this erases the terrible tragedy that this was, or makes the pain of those who loved them go away. But it reminds me that ultimately, I am not the judge of God and his decisions, and that I have to trust that his love and his miracles (or lack of miracles) are perfectly placed, in a way that I am simply not capable of understanding. I am after all, not God.
 
I absolutely sympathesize with you. I can only imagine that it must have been a very trying period for your spirituality to have to go through that. I pray that one day you can see how it was a part of God’s plan for your family members to be taken from you when they were. God may not have created the cancer but it was by His Hand that He allowed it to happen (and whatever reason He had, it was a very good one that was possibly vital to the salvation of you and your family members!)

I just simply don’t believe that anything happens by coincidence or by its own accord. I truly believe that when a person dies they have been given every chance possible to attain salvation. God then allows a person’s life to be taken only when their salvation has either been secured, or they have finally and completely choosen Satan as their master. Our vocational duties on this earth are just stepping stones that are intended to lead us to heaven (even the really small ones that don’t seem to have a purpose, like driving home from the grocery store all play a part!)

I think that when we attribute things to “chance” we are kind of taking God and putting Him in a far off place. I honestly believe that this displeases God… I believe God would rather have us to blame Him then be angry at one of our brothers or sisters (or with ourselves). God needs to be the center of our life through the good times and the bad (and the bad is when we need Him most). So when going through these horrible points in life, put God right in the center of it all and realize that everything that happened was a part of His plan (even if this makes you feel like rejecting His love in the moment, this is still better then to blame someone else).
Thank you! Yes, it was tough but I trust it was God’s plan for each of them, even though they were young (in their 50s). I should have wrote He permitted it to happen, not caused it. I do think each of them made their peace with God before they passed. And after time, it gets a bit easier but I miss each of them terribly, especially my aunt and uncle who passed within less than 5 months of each other. But each of us has our own time.
 
I agree. Death is our doorway into eternity. It isn’t the evil enemy, but a friend who takes us to a better place. Life here may be good, but it’s better in heaven. I don’t mean to trivialize suffering, but to agree with others who have pointed out that when we have faith, we can and probably should have a more benign view of death/dying.
Death is the enemy. God is greater than death, God transforms death into resurrection, God defeats death and grants us life, but death is no friend.

But yes, I agree with your point. We should not let the evil of death overwhelm our knowledge that God is not defeated by it. We ought to face death with our eyes on eternal life, and go through death with eternal life as our goal, facing that passage in hope and not in fear. That is absolutely true.
 
Hokomai, not being a believer him (her?) self, gave 2 possible reasons that a Christian might come up with:
  • I, as a believer, would add the third reason that tragedies in our world happen according to the basic natural law. Every action has a reaction. A bad person comes at a good person with a knife, natural law does not allow a forcefield to be raised around the good person; the good person’s body is penetrable like any others. A candle is left burning too close to a wall, and as happens with fire, a spark might fly, and as happens with flammable materials, drywall might ignite…It is simply the natural law that has been operating since the day Adam and Eve took the apple.
This may not be the way the earth was originally created to run - perhaps the natural law would be different had sin not corrupted it. Humans wouldn’t die, that’s for sure. But God allows us to make choices freely, and he chooses NOT to interfere with the natural law most of the time. I believe that this is because if he chose to intervene everytime, then there would be no consequence of our sin, and there would be no way for people to choose to love him despite the hardship, because there would be no hardship. It’s why he gave Adam and Eve free will in the first place, and why he allowed them to experience the consequences of their choice when they chose wrong. He wants us to love him freely, which necessarily requires that we can also choose not to.

None of this erases the terrible tragedy that this was, or makes the pain of those who loved them go away. But it reminds me that ultimately, I am not the judge of God and his decisions, and that I have to trust that his love and his miracles (or lack of miracles) are perfectly placed, in a way that I am simply not capable of understanding. I am after all, not God.
I’m a him! 🙂 I have argued this on other threads, but I think this argument (sin brings pain and suffering) contradicts observable reality. we know that billions of hon-human beings sufferred and dies before humans evolved. Many fossils are the remains of creatures who died most unpleasant deaths (trapped in amber, crushed by rocks, stuck in tar pits, dying of thirst etc). You can get around this by being a young-earth creationist, or by believing in reincarnation and karma, or by believing ‘it’s a mystery, and God must make it all ok in some way’. What you can’t do is explain it in a way which takes account of what we see. Or you can think like me and conclude that either God is not all-powerful, or all-loving, or maybe is not there at all.
 
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