Why wouldn't Grover Cleveland help Texas?

[JimG]

President Grover Cleveland admitted that Texas, sorely hurt by drought, needed the aid, and that it would be good for them to receive the help. Yet he vetoed the bill that would have provided it. Why?

Now, Planned Parenthood doesn’t even need government money. Yet it is able to hold government hostage. What a strange turn in the way of government affairs.

crisismagazine.com/2015/master-peer-ward-puppet

 

[PaulfromIowa]

Democrat President Cleveland’s Constitutional stand was all the more remarkable in light of the fact that Texas was a key Democratic state at the time, which voted for him all 3 times he ran.

 

[stinkcat_14]

President Grover Cleveland admitted that Texas, sorely hurt by drought, needed the aid, and that it would be good for them to receive the help. Yet he vetoed the bill that would have provided it. Why?

Now, Planned Parenthood doesn’t even need government money. Yet it is able to hold government hostage. What a strange turn in the way of government affairs.

crisismagazine.com/2015/master-peer-ward-puppet

As long as we keep voting for republicans and democrats, we will continue to make the constitution irrelevant. Any party that supports big government redistribution programs like Social Security and Medicare has no respect for the constitution. Some who vote republican like to pretend that lack of respect for the constitution is a democrat, but nobody can seriously argue that either major party has respect for the constitution.

 

[JimG]

As long as we keep voting for republicans and democrats, we will continue to make the constitution irrelevant. Any party that supports big government redistribution programs like Social Security and Medicare has no respect for the constitution. Some who vote republican like to pretend that lack of respect for the constitution is a democrat, but nobody can seriously argue that either major party has respect for the constitution.

I guess you are right. It appears that the Supreme Court no longer has any respect for it either. Being on Medicare, I’m another client of big government. But it wasn’t my idea. My previous health insurer insisted on it. It’s rather amazing the extent to which we have become clients and beneficiaries of government rather than the masters of government.

 

[stinkcat_14]

I guess you are right. It appears that the Supreme Court no longer has any respect for it either. Being on Medicare, I’m another client of big government. But it wasn’t my idea. My previous health insurer insisted on it. It’s rather amazing the extent to which we have become clients and beneficiaries of government rather than the masters of government.

You are probably one of the few recipients of medicare who wouldn’t object to medicare going away. Most people seem to think of wasteful government spending as any program that they don’t benefit from. Nobody who believes in small government could in any way support medicare.

 

[dreamer29]

America really should be about “We the People…” and not the politicians and until then we will further decay. Yes, other countries are decaying because of bad government too.

 

[JimG]

You are probably one of the few recipients of medicare who wouldn’t object to medicare going away. Most people seem to think of wasteful government spending as any program that they don’t benefit from. Nobody who believes in small government could in any way support medicare.

If my physician group were to convert to the direct patient care model, I would gladly sign up and pay the fee. DPC practices accept no insurance, including Medicare, and do not deal with insurance forms of any kind. No insurance coding, drastically reduced overhead, reduced prices, happier doctors, happier patients.

 

[francisca]

President Grover Cleveland admitted that Texas, sorely hurt by drought, needed the aid, and that it would be good for them to receive the help. Yet he vetoed the bill that would have provided it. Why?

Now, Planned Parenthood doesn’t even need government money. Yet it is able to hold government hostage. What a strange turn in the way of government affairs.

crisismagazine.com/2015/master-peer-ward-puppet

I am not sure about Grover issue, but regarding PP defunding, the way I see it, it appears that the whole matter is purely political/ about $$$, and not about morality and the reason is because:

first, I think those who wants to illegalize abortion, they’re not necessarily concern about the immorality of adultery by men, and porn, therefore it is a movement that is not concern about society’s immorality…

Second, I found out that actually federal law allow compensation given for fetal tissue sample for research. Instead of attacking this ruling and/ or the researches who bought the samples, they attack PP funding for women.

Third, PP didn’t tell the mother of the fetus regarding they’re selling the organs of their fetus for research. This is the offence PP committed and can be processed according to the law, however, in my opinion, up to now, not enough attention given to this offence. The attention is diverted to about defunding PP. They then say that the video is “heavily editted” (which is true), then it completes the argument that the whole matter is a set up to defund PP. Therefore PP will not get what it deserve.

fourth, The ruling that allow compensation for fetal tissue is the central moral problem because this ruling legalize buy and sell and making profit out of human organs, by the law. This is about business pressure lobbying the lawmakers and they pass the wrong law. Abortion Issue is separate moral debate.

Public opinion of women consist of 50% of population. Therefore PP is strong. If a movement is set to change the behavior of only women, but not the behavior of men, this movement is seen as a war on women. If we as a church really concern about morality, then pro-life movement must be about changing the behavior of men and women and not cast the burden on women alone. The latter guaranteed will fail at public opinion level.

 

[JimG]

Really, I think that PP did set out to change the behavior of men as well as women. It wanted everyone of every age, and especially young people, to be free to have sex at any time for any reason. By handing out birth control and providing abortions, they not only changed women’s behavior, they freed men from sexual responsibility, thus enabling more sex, more unplanned pregnancy, more abortion.

 

[francisca]

Really, I think that PP did set out to change the behavior of men as well as women. It wanted everyone of every age, and especially young people, to be free to have sex at any time for any reason. By handing out birth control and providing abortions, they not only changed women’s behavior, they freed men from sexual responsibility, thus enabling more sex, more unplanned pregnancy, more abortion.

That is the fact of our nowadays culture. I am not defending PP, but I don’t think that a clinic can dictate how men and women should behave. I know that many prolife people are sincere in their fight, but the more we attack one institution, the more it appears like we are trying to play politics instead of showing sincere concern about society’s immorality. The matter of the fact is, there are those who don’t care about immorality. Sometimes we as human being are also clouded by our own interest and/ or subjectivity.

So now let’s weigh the morality in which trying to illegalize abortion but do not try to fight the cause of abortion. I would say that is immoral, because you close your eyes from what women have to face in this permissive culture while allowing it to continue enslave women even further.

 

[JimG]

That is the fact of our nowadays culture. I am not defending PP, but I don’t think that a clinic can dictate how men and women should behave. I know that many prolife people are sincere in their fight, but the more we attack one institution, the more it appears like we are trying to play politics instead of showing sincere concern about society’s immorality. The matter of the fact is, there are those who don’t care about immorality. Sometimes we as human being are also clouded by our own interest and/ or subjectivity.

So now let’s weigh the morality in which trying to illegalize abortion but do not try to fight the cause of abortion. I would say that is immoral, because you close your eyes from what women have to face in this permissive culture while allowing it to continue enslave women even further.

I have to agree that the entire culture has put a great deal of pressure on women (and men too) to say yes to extramarital and premarital sex. The default position for women used to be, “not until I’ve got a ring and we’ve said our marriage vows.” The default position now is “not till the third date.”

But I’ve also watched over the course of decades while PP insinuated itself into a position to be the default promoter of the sexual revolution. It made sure that kids knew that they could get free contraception without parent’s knowledge at a PP facility. They made sure to provide for backup abortion. The got themselves into schools to provide sex education, presenting their own philosophy for every child from the earliest age. They present sex of any variety as fun as long as you stay safe. They got government funding just to show how mainstream they were, wanting to take on an aura of respectability. But I think they have been a bad if not outright evil influence on society from the very beginning.

Grover Cleveland, of course, would have said that the government has no possible business funding birth control or abortion.

 

[SWolf]

I am not sure about Grover issue, but regarding PP defunding, the way I see it, it appears that the whole matter is purely political/ about $$$, and not about morality and the reason is because:

first, I think those who wants to illegalize abortion, they’re not necessarily concern about the immorality of adultery by men, and porn, therefore it is a movement that is not concern about society’s immorality…

Murdering babies is worse than porn. Chopping up babies and using them for research is worse than porn.

Also, I don’t know anything who thinks porn is a good thing. Stop skirting the issue.

Third, PP didn’t tell the mother of the fetus regarding they’re selling the organs of their fetus for research. This is the offence PP committed and can be processed according to the law, however, in my opinion, up to now, not enough attention given to this offence. The attention is diverted to about defunding PP. They then say that the video is “heavily editted” (which is true),

Repeating a falsity does not make it true. They released the unedited videos as well. Stop pushing this lie.