Why wouldn't one wish to be god?

Ion · Sep 6, 2016

I was confronted with this thought. Why, logically, I should not wish to be a god?

My thoughts are content with the fact that there is one God, I am not god, and this wish would be against God’s creation and therefore against myself because I am part of the creation…

Gertabelle · Sep 6, 2016

Why would I want to be a god?

Maybe some of us just aren’t that power hungry. It has never occurred to me to want to be a god. Just never.

So why do you think being a god would be a logical desire?

pensmama87 · Sep 6, 2016

I’d say it’s a pretty normal desire, and frequently it’s that desire that leads us to needing the confessional.

I know I often struggle with thinking I am the one who is in charge and control of everything in my life. It’s a tiny little world I try to control, but man do I still try it. Often with disastrous results. Sometimes I think God uses that as a wake-up call to rely on Him and give Him the glory instead of trying to glorify myself. It’s not an easy journey (I am very stubborn and humility is not an easy lesson for me to learn) but I think I’ve improved a little, thanks to God.

Partinobodycula · Sep 6, 2016

It really depends I suppose upon how one defines the term god. If one imbues the term with connotations of megalomania, then most people probably wouldn’t want to be one. If however one imbues the term with positive connotations like benevolence, justice, and love, then one might well choose to be god. So it probably depends upon what one reads into the term god.

God on the other hand is different. One really has no choice as to whether or not they’re God. And the inescapable truth is, that you might actually be God. Despite any protestations to the contrary, you may be the creator of everything. Ah, but some may assert that if they actually were God, then they wouldn’t create a world like this one, they would create something more akin to heaven. But the funny thing is, that over the years I have often asked theists to describe heaven to me, and none of their descriptions has ever held up to scrutiny. When pressed for details, they’re simply unable to give a rational description of heaven beyond the simple explanation that it’s a place where everyone is happy because they’re in the presence of God. They really can’t be much more specific than that, and perhaps that’s why you, as God, create a world like this. Because you’re simply can’t imagine anything better.

But be my guest. Go ahead, try. But remember the details. You can’t simply say that people are happy, without explaining why they’re happy, and as my dear departed mother used to say, “because” is not an answer. The world may be the way it is, because God makes it so. And that God, may be you.

So, you may, or may not, wish to be god, but when it comes to being God, you simply have no choice.

Garyjohn2 · Sep 6, 2016

There already is a God that is perfect. Why do we need another one? Why should it be me? I wouldn’t be particularly good at it. Plus, if I were a god, wouldn’t that break one of the prime commandments put in place by the already existing perfect God? Why would I want to cross him or get on his bad side?

Doesn’t make any sense to me. If God is perfect, he made me the way I am for a reason. Who am I to challenge that? Who do I think I am, anyways? Something more than dust in the wind?

BobCatholic · Sep 6, 2016

If you were responsible for everything in the world, would you want to be god?

Someone kills someone else, it is your fault. You’re willing to take that responsibility?

Responsibility without power = Slave
Power without responsibility = Tyrant - this is the “I want to be god” vision that usually happens.

Leifler · Sep 6, 2016

Not knowing God, one might wish to be. To think of being able to do “better” from lack of knowing, yet what would it be to be heavenly not God?

Your will when in that state will be aligned with His, and you will have all you could desire. In essence, you want for nothing and want nothing God does not want. It becomes simple, as you need not be God for any practical purpose.

Think Bruce Almighty, he thinks hit yes to all prayers, a novel positive idea not born of evil. Did it work well? No. So along those lines, if you knew ALL that God knew you would do the same, therefore you would be replacing Him with Him. Pointless and silly.

Then the only difference would be the fact that you are created by Him and do we not feel that tinge of desire to in essence “owe” those who give us much?

Is praise and glory of God not a fair trade for, everything? Literally everything. Even if you could become “God” He who made you still gave you that, you’d be only more indebted to His great graces He has given.

truetofaith · Sep 6, 2016

Your question is confusing

You want to be a, god…or the God of the universe??

Leifler · Sep 6, 2016

Good point, by the standard of say the Norse “gods”, a saint is far more potent, powerful, and eternal. So as compared to what is said to be a “god” you will be a greater god. In fact only the God who is God of all has ever been one to offer such power beyond that of the so called gods. So yes logically we should want to be a saint. A saint whom in comoarison to the so called gods is greater.

To wish to be a [g]od, is like wishing to be a town councilman instead of a Prince.

Eliazer · Sep 6, 2016

no one is God. no one can be God.
Saint Michael that is why he fought the Devil because the devil wanted to be God.
it is true we are created in His image and likeness it is also true that we should desire to be more like but not Him.

“Who is like God?” was the cry of Archangel Michael when he smote the rebel Lucifer in the conflict of the heavenly hosts. And when Antichrist shall have set up his kingdom on earth, it is St Michael who will unfurl once more the standard of the cross, sound the last trumpet, bind together the false prophet and the beast and hurl them for all eternity into the burning pool.

Butler, Alban. Lives of the Saints, Forgotten Books ISBN 1-60506-312-6 p.372 ( this is from Wikipedia)

"And there was a great battle in heaven, Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon fought and his angels: And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven. And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, who seduceth the whole world; and he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: because the accuser of our brethren is cast forth, who accused them before our God day and night. "
(Douay-Rheims Bible verse 12:7-10)

“When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.” (Douay-Rheims Bible Jude verse 9)

Reverend Bishop Richard Challoner added sidenotes at the bottom of the sheets to explain the following:

" (verse 9.)Contended about the body: This contention, which is no where else mentioned in holy writ, was originally known by revelation, and transmitted by tradition. It is thought the occasion of it was, that the devil would have had the body buried in such a place and manner, as to be worshipped by the Jews with divine honours.

Also from (verse 9. )Command thee: or rebuke thee. "

No one wants to be God. we want to be Saints which in Judaism it is equivalent to what they called Just. but the difference is that we believe that the gates of heaven are now opened because Our Lord already came.
if you have further questions about it you might want to ask your Priest about the subject he can explain it through more in depth.

Ion · Sep 7, 2016

It is not my desire, but this thought travelled my mind and I couldnt answer right away…the thought was about being god not a god and not the God

The distinction is interesting.

Cheiron · Sep 7, 2016

With great power comes great responsibility. Are you up for that? I don’t think I could handle it.

Leifler · Sep 7, 2016

So based on my earlier post, how does being a Saint not make for exactly that?

mikekle · Sep 7, 2016

Well, look at it like this, Satan wanted to take over Gods position and he literally attempted to do so, since we humans are also fallen, why would at least some of us, not desire this same thing?

The problem I see, satan was capable of attempting this, but as far as I know, NO HUMAN would ever be in a position to even attempt the same thing,(getting into heaven is not easy in the first place)

Leifler · Sep 7, 2016

Anyone can attempt anything, it was equally as fruitless for Satan as it would be for a human.

I can stand on the ground and try to fly like superman to Mars.

Someone else could try to fly out like superman from the top of mount everest.

As much as the person on mount everest may seem “closer” there is not even a slight difference in ability to accomplish the goal.

fhansen · Sep 7, 2016

To wish to be God is wish, for oneself, the greatest good, which is not evil in and of itself. . But that desire is out of sync with reality; to believe one is God is to believe a lie.It is the essence of pride, to over-value ones own worth or excellence as Aquinas would define it. And that lie, that pride, that willful autonomy from God, operates in and impacts ourselves and our world daily in one way or another, to one degree or another, even as we might not recognize or care to admit to it.

And yet to be like God, and share in the happiness that mus necessarily result from that state, is man’s purpose, the very end God has in mind for him.From the catechism:

fhansen · Sep 7, 2016

Let’s try that again.

To wish to* be *God is to wish, for oneself, the greatest good, which is not evil in and of itself. But that desire is out of sync with reality; to believe one is God is to believe a lie. It is the essence of pride, to over-value ones own worth or excellence as Aquinas would define it. And that lie, that pride, that willful autonomy from God, operates in and impacts ourselves and our world daily in one way or another, to one degree or another, even as we might not recognize or care to admit to it.

And yet to be *like *God, and share in the happiness that must necessarily result from that state, is man’s purpose, the very end God has in mind for him. From the catechism:

**397 Man, tempted by the devil, let his trust in his Creator die in his heart and, abusing his freedom, disobeyed God’s command. This is what man’s first sin consisted of.278 All subsequent sin would be disobedience toward God and lack of trust in his goodness.

398 In that sin man preferred himself to God and by that very act scorned him. He chose himself over and against God, against the requirements of his creaturely status and therefore against his own good. Constituted in a state of holiness, man was destined to be fully “divinized” by God in glory. Seduced by the devil, he wanted to “be like God”, but “without God, before God, and not in accordance with God”.279

fisherman_carl · Sep 7, 2016

Why desire something that is metaphysically impossible? If you were god then you would not be you. It is impossible.

Ion · Sep 11, 2016

I was thinking a little more and recall from Genesis the fall of men. It looks like a logical reaction of the universe for what Adam did. Adam did something against himself and he and all creation became mortal. While there are specific punishments for serpent and Eve made by God, about what Adam did God only says that the Earth is cursed, God did not explicitly curse the Earth as a punishment for what Adam did.

Is it possible that the Universe has a “conscience” connected with ours and acts logically based on our acts? Did Adam became mortal because the universe followed logically his decision?

IWantGod · Sep 11, 2016

I want to experience God.

I don’t want to be sugar, i want to taste sugar.

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