Wicked popes

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Just read the list. Not sure if any of them are as bad as Paul, who killed many Christians. I should stop reading his letters. Or how about the wickedness of David? Slept with another man’s wife, then had Uriah put in a position to be killed. Man I gotta stop reading the Psalms. Abraham? Solomon?

So I guess it should bother me that God uses all sorts of “wicked” people in the Bible to further his plan. But it doesn’t.
Nor does it bother me that Jesus personally picked the “wicked” Judas. 1 “wicked” Apostle out of 12 is an 8% failure rate. 10 “wicked” popes out of 265 is a 5% failure rate.

:hmmm:5% or 8%?:hmmm:
 
Duane1966 said:
Just read the list. Not sure if any of them are as bad as Paul, who killed many Christians. I should stop reading his letters. Or how about the wickedness of David? Slept with another man’s wife, then had Uriah put in a position to be killed. Man I gotta stop reading the Psalms. Abraham? Solomon?

So I guess it should bother me that God uses all sorts of “wicked” people in the Bible to further his plan. But it doesn’t.
Nor does it bother me that Jesus personally picked the “wicked” Judas. 1 “wicked” Apostle out of 12 is an 8% failure rate. 10 “wicked” popes out of 265 is a 5% failure rate.

:hmmm:5% or 8%?:hmmm:
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That is a better rate than kings or presidents!

And there are many Popes that are saints. Way more than “wicked”.

Saints… you know, people in heaven!

I can’t name a president that is confirmed in heaven.

I think the fact that the Church survives the failings of men and 2000 years later still is a beacon of Truth and God’s voice on earth is made stronger by the fact of some less than desirable types having held the papacy.
 
tryphon said:
The “wickedness” of some Popes is a concept that has been amplified “ad hoc” by enemies of the Catholic Church. Even if you look at the Borgias and some of the other much maligned Popes of antiquity, keep this in mind:
  1. We DO NOT know the circumstances surrounding the alleged criminal acts
  2. We must place everything in context: different historical periods see things under a different light
  3. We were not there and we do not know the circumstances nor the manner in which the persons involved justified their actions and atoned for their sins.
    Let’s have more trust in the wisdom of the people involved in these ALLEGED crimes…
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Jubilarian said:
I never made a call on their eternal destiny, so I wasn’t looking to judge them. As Catholics, we know what sin is and we point it out often. There’s a difference.
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You can judge a person without saying that person is in heaven or hell. That is what you seem to be doing, since the Popes that you are posting about are dead. 😛 🤷
 
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