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TheresaLS
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I just read an article by Albert Mohler, “Politics Without God–Europe’s Secular Crisis” @ www.crosswalk.com/root11333085/page0. Very interesting…let me know if there is any potential discussion…
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eichenb2
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Why not? Most Americans, including Catholics, are hedonists. So, anything that tells us that we cannot do what we want, anytime we want, with who we want…must be feared.
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ready
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Fr. John Corapi would say that America would cease being American if it became Christo-phobic. I believe he just said something like that one of these past weekends on EWTN.
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Gottle_of_Geer
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What did he mean ? The USA doesn’t need Christ or God to get by. Which is is a dreadful thing to say, but how would forgetting that religious stuff make it so very different from what it is now ? When push comes to shove, practicality & expediency rule in politics, & Christ is shelved. If He were so important to the US, would the US have massive reserves of biological & nuclear weapons ? If the USA were really Christian, it would be unrecognisable, probably be far smaller, & would be dead easy to conquer. It’s great & powerful in proportion as it is not Christian - it can afford to be Christian (assuming as true the highly dubious proposition that it is, but let’s not complicate things) only because it is unjust & violent enough to defend itself & to crush its enemies when it needs to. “Being Christian” is a luxury, a perk that goes with its success - not a foundation of that success. Being Christian in the US is built on using napalm, political assassination, destabilising inconvenient governments, & getting cosy with tyrants who torture their own people, outside the US. Not on being Christian - that’s laughable 
The US would not have lasted a week, had it tried being Christian. Injustice alone can make a nation strong.
Don’t worry though - all states with a largely Christian population are like that; 
they are all built on blood & violence & injustice; that is mainly what keeps them alive. Christianity is for those who are downtrodden or prosperous, for different reasons: but it’s no religion for a state, unless for show only. Macchiavelli was right. “The Prince” is a thoroughly revolting book, but its ethics are realistic; injustice & duplicity are what strengthen a ruler - Christianity weakens rulers, by making them have scruples about doing what will work.
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glide625
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Actually, that’s a fascinating question. I assume that by “Christophobic” you would mean that as a fear or loathing of Christianity or perhaps put another way, actively anti-Christian. I’ve been observing that phenomenon as reflected in the mainstream media for quite sometime. In most cases, it’s quite subtle. As an example, this new movie, “Angels and Demons”, which by the way I haven’t seen, has been critisized (sp) as being anti-Vatican, or anti-Catholic and some made the same criticism. This isn’t new and it’s an outgrowth of the secular-humanist view of life which puts human beings at the center of importance rather than God. What I think is different today is that this view which rejects God and Christianity has been adopted by a very large percentage of the population; it is manifested in and promoted by those who advocate such things as the New Age movement which appears to be almost a retreat to paganism.
There are subtle expressions of this Christophobic view point everywhere on the T.V. and in political expressions, etc. And there’s very definitely an active movement designed to promote the idea that Christian values should be shunned by Gov’t leaders, that Christians seek to impose their values on the society as a whole, etc.
The question that all this raises in my mind is the big “Why?” Why are so many political activists so anti-Christian? One obvious answer is that Christian values are obviously at odds with the secular humanist views. For example, for Christians, abortion is murder; for secular humanists, abortion is a human-centric choice that’s a “right” for women. I’m also coming to believe that there’s a genuine fear factor involved in this movement away from Christianity. It’s almost as though the secular humanists see Christians and Christianity as a threat to their authority. Ultimately, they are probably correct. For example, if (and he is for me) Jesus is Lord, then of course, I see Him as the ultimate authority.
Great topic for further study and analysis.
There are subtle expressions of this Christophobic view point everywhere on the T.V. and in political expressions, etc. And there’s very definitely an active movement designed to promote the idea that Christian values should be shunned by Gov’t leaders, that Christians seek to impose their values on the society as a whole, etc.
The question that all this raises in my mind is the big “Why?” Why are so many political activists so anti-Christian? One obvious answer is that Christian values are obviously at odds with the secular humanist views. For example, for Christians, abortion is murder; for secular humanists, abortion is a human-centric choice that’s a “right” for women. I’m also coming to believe that there’s a genuine fear factor involved in this movement away from Christianity. It’s almost as though the secular humanists see Christians and Christianity as a threat to their authority. Ultimately, they are probably correct. For example, if (and he is for me) Jesus is Lord, then of course, I see Him as the ultimate authority.
Great topic for further study and analysis.
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ready
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The America he knew growing up was restrained and conservative and centered on morality. Our country was established on the 10 Commandments and its laws reflected this. Now we are removing images of the 10 commandments off gov’t buildings and passing laws that are not based on the natural law. The sexual revolution in the 60’s did some job on our society. It has become so depraved (as only a short viewing of television shows us).What did he mean ? The USA doesn’t need Christ or God to get by. Which is is a dreadful thing to say, but how would forgetting that religious stuff make it so very different from what it is now ? When push comes to shove, practicality & expediency rule in politics, & Christ is shelved. If He were so important to the US, would the US have massive reserves of biological & nuclear weapons ? If the USA were really Christian, it would be unrecognisable, probably be far smaller, & would be dead easy to conquer. It’s great & powerful in proportion as it is not Christian - it can afford to be Christian (assuming as true the highly dubious proposition that it is, but let’s not complicate things) only because it is unjust & violent enough to defend itself & to crush its enemies when it needs to. “Being Christian” is a luxury, a perk that goes with its success - not a foundation of that success. Being Christian in the US is built on using napalm, political assassination, destabilising inconvenient governments, & getting cosy with tyrants who torture their own people, outside the US. Not on being Christian - that’s laughable
Don’t worry though - all states with a largely Christian population are like that;
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