Will moral degradation in the America's allow for a possible Islamic Nation?

[WilT]

I wonder and I’m concerned that, as the Americas become more morally degraded, that this vacuum will allow for radical religious groups to enter and make itself a home here. Should we fear. Yes, so we need to be very vigilant and concerned today, and not wait till it becomes too late.

 

[1newcatholic]

What you have described sounds very unlikely, but there are certain news outlets that will tell you otherwise in order to make a few bucks. It might be vaguely possible in South America, if things go downhill very fast and unexpectedly. But North America…? I don’t think so.

 

[marycchristian]

I tried to post this once on another thread and it was rejected, so I’ll try again here. Website bigpulpit.com. Go to Tuesday afternoon edition and look for the article “A Chilling Warning to the West from Mosul Archeparche”. ( I think the word Areheparche is equivelent to ArchBishop.) “Our sufferings are the prelude of those you, Europeans and Western Christians will also suffer in the near future.” It is a very disturbing article to me. It is almost like, is this really happening and should I really pay attention to it, or is it information overload?

 

[WilT]

I tried to post this once on another thread and it was rejected, so I’ll try again here. Website bigpulpit.com. Go to Tuesday afternoon edition and look for the article “A Chilling Warning to the West from Mosul Archeparche”. ( I think the word Areheparche is equivelent to ArchBishop.) “Our sufferings are the prelude of those you, Europeans and Western Christians will also suffer in the near future.” It is a very disturbing article to me. It is almost like, is this really happening and should I really pay attention to it, or is it information overload?

You may want try narrowing your topic rather than bringing up many topics as in the bigpulpit site

 

[SuperLuigi]

What you have described sounds very unlikely, but there are certain news outlets that will tell you otherwise in order to make a few bucks. It might be vaguely possible in South America, if things go downhill very fast and unexpectedly. But North America…? I don’t think so.

Is this comment kidding? South Americans don’t have anywhere near the PC nonsense that the USA and certainly Canada have.

 

[chimo]

I wonder and I’m concerned that, as the Americas become more morally degraded, that this vacuum will allow for radical religious groups to enter and make itself a home here. Should we fear. Yes, so we need to be very vigilant and concerned today, and not wait till it becomes too late.

I do not know what kind of suffering God will permit to straighten us out but if He does allow it I sense it will be for our own good. God does not allow certain evils unless it is prevent a worse evil. When the Communists took over Russia the sainted Pope John Paul II had written in his memoirs that it was a necessary evil to prevent a worse evil. Today Russia is exploding with Christianity that in terms of holiness and sanctity seems to be at a higher level than what is occurring in the Americas. Yet I suspect God will help us to in time but He needs us that is Christians who are living here to help Him bring His Son back into the lives of so many peoples. Perhaps this is the struggle which is occurring. The Laity of the Catholic and Eastern Churches need to find their place in administering effective Christian witness especially here in Canada and the United States as well as the rest of the Americas.

 

[George_Stegmeir]

The only way that Islam would get to dominate society in North America would be by military conquest…and the bloodshed resulting from public resistance to that would make nuclear war seem tame in comparison. The only way Islam could be imposed in North America (or even South America for that matter) would be through genocide.

 

[WilT]

I do not know what kind of suffering God will permit to straighten us out but if He does allow it I sense it will be for our own good. God does not allow certain evils unless it is prevent a worse evil.

True chimo, **but **we must not allow ourselves to be idle or stagnate. We must prevent and defend against evil at all cost and all moments.

 

[SuperLuigi]

I wonder and I’m concerned that, as the Americas become more morally degraded, that this vacuum will allow for radical religious groups to enter and make itself a home here. Should we fear. Yes, so we need to be very vigilant and concerned today, and not wait till it becomes too late.

The problem in Western Europe is that de facto sharia law already exists in many cities. As the Muslim population grows, the radicals will most likely begin to demand separate city-states for their own.

As far as the USA goes, well, Muslims actually are better off than the average person, and such prosperity sometimes blunts radicalism. But the concern in America should be having a lot of these folks on welfare as well as terror recruiting to fight in Somalia.

The moral decay is going to bring about other problem such as social security and other financial, entitlement insolvency concerns before anything else. But as a general rule, social conservatives are the ones having kids, namely very conservative Catholics, Mormons and Muslims.

Liberal secularists love to hold demographics over the heads of the GOP due to Hispanics and single women, but in reality the pro-abortion, radical feminist, pay-for-my-contraception, gay “marriage” crowd won’t be able to sustain itself.

Also, if Hispanics become more liberal, their birth rates will drop and liberal economic policies in places like CA is driving them away.

Otherwise, if not for all their power in the media and education system to get after other people’s kids, they’d be in rough shape and with their PC attitude wouldn’t stand a chance against an Islamist incursion. In fact, many of them would probably JOIN it.

Canada I suppose is more like Europe in some ways. Their birthrate is too low as well, but they are more fiscally conservative than the USA.

Certainly, Islam will continue to grow in influence. Russia and China will as well. Americans are having a hard time breaking away from Democrats and about 40-45% of the country is basically standing in line to cornonate Hilary despite her SOS track record.
So that alone tells us a lot about this country.

 

[SuperLuigi]

The only way that Islam would get to dominate society in North America would be by military conquest…and the bloodshed resulting from public resistance to that would make nuclear war seem tame in comparison. The only way Islam could be imposed in North America (or even South America for that matter) would be through genocide.

Don’t be too sure about North America. The left relentlessly defends Islam and in the West even gay rights will yield to Islam.

The Muslim population in the USA will double by 2030.

 

[MarcoPG]

I wonder and I’m concerned that, as the Americas become more morally degraded, that this vacuum will allow for radical religious groups to enter and make itself a home here. Should we fear. Yes, so we need to be very vigilant and concerned today, and not wait till it becomes too late.

The rise of an islamic nation is not the only possibility when moral degradation is there, but every extremism is possible. Sects are also welcome, when people feel lost: they turn to anything. Just keep in mind that extremism isn’t the proper way to believe in anything.

About Islam, we need to be concerned about the loss of faith, but moral degradation can’t be a reason to the rise of an muslim nation. Islam has not the same beliefs as Christianity, but the morals are similar. Take as an example the fight against same sex marriage, atheism, etc. In France for instance but not only thats for sure, Muslims and Christians were and are united against these issues.

 

[theCrow]

I wonder and I’m concerned that, as the Americas become more morally degraded, that this vacuum will allow for radical religious groups to enter and make itself a home here. Should we fear. Yes, so we need to be very vigilant and concerned today, and not wait till it becomes too late.

How are the Americas becoming more “morally degraded?” Some specific examples perhaps?

 

[johnmann]

I don’t think moral degradation is the right way to put it. I think we’re becoming more moral on balance. Less abortion, murder, rape, vandalism, racism, etc. But man is a religious animal and there’s certainly a growing religious void in America. There’s no reason to believe it’ll be filled by Islam. It’s being filled by materialism. I include not only possessions but the body, mind, society, and environment. That’s not to say these things aren’t important but without a greater purpose in life they become ends in themselves. When the Isrealites didn’t feel like God was working for them, they resorted to idol worship. It’s no different today.

 

[decatholic]

The only way that Islam would get to dominate society in North America would be by military conquest…and the bloodshed resulting from public resistance to that would make nuclear war seem tame in comparison. The only way Islam could be imposed in North America (or even South America for that matter) would be through genocide.

Islam is winning in Europe without a sword. By breeding large families the volume of people will overtake a declining Christian Europe.

 

[decatholic]

I wonder and I’m concerned that, as the Americas become more morally degraded, that this vacuum will allow for radical religious groups to enter and make itself a home here. Should we fear. Yes, so we need to be very vigilant and concerned today, and not wait till it becomes too late.

Do you presuppose radical Islam or Islam is a moral superior to “Americas”. Do you mean the US or the continents of North and South America?

 

[Contra_Mundum_1]

The only way that Islam would get to dominate society in North America would be by military conquest…and the bloodshed resulting from public resistance to that would make nuclear war seem tame in comparison. The only way Islam could be imposed in North America (or even South America for that matter) would be through genocide.

My thoughts exactly.

I very much doubt that moral relativists would allow for some groups to start taking away their licence to immorality. I suspect they would fight for it with conviction.

 

[SuperLuigi]

I don’t think moral degradation is the right way to put it. I think we’re becoming more moral on balance. Less abortion, murder, rape, vandalism, racism, etc. But man is a religious animal and there’s certainly a growing religious void in America. There’s no reason to believe it’ll be filled by Islam. It’s being filled by materialism. I include not only possessions but the body, mind, society, and environment. That’s not to say these things aren’t important but without a greater purpose in life they become ends in themselves. When the Isrealites didn’t feel like God was working for them, they resorted to idol worship. It’s no different today.

Materialism as a religion won’t last. People want some form of logic.

That’s where Islam comes in.

Not just that, but because they’ve got just about every exception in the book from the PC crowd.

 

[SuperLuigi]

How are the Americas becoming more “morally degraded?” Some specific examples perhaps?

So-called gay “marriage”

Abortion

Contraception

Feminism

Euthanasia

Embroyonic Stem Cell Research

Trying people in the court of public opinion

Attacking religious freedom

"I want my government subsidy NOW!; it’s a " ‘human right’ "

 

[Seamus_L]

Islam is such a growing force these days because it’s seen as being strong, vibrant, uncompromising and demands self sacrifice of it’s adherents, while modern Western culture is weak, perverted, hedonistic and subconsciously self loathing.

 

[johnmann]

Among non-believers, Islam is viewed less favorably than Christianity. Don’t confuse the level of mockery with the level of favorability. That Christianity can be mocked without the offender being killed is actually a PR point in favor of Christianity.

Infamous atheist Bill Maher mocks Christianity far more than he does Islam but still acknowledges that Islam is objectively worse.