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ocuinn
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When Jesus returns will purgatory still exist for those sinners left upon the earth at that time who will be in a state of grace but have yet to make up for previous sins?
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awfulthings9
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Purgatory will cease to exist at the time of the general judgement. However, those who need purification on Earth will still receive it, though it will probably take place instantaneously.
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EPHRIAM777
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ocuinn asks…
When Jesus returns will purgatory still exist for those sinners left upon the earth at that time who will be in a state of grace but have yet to make up for previous sins?
Eph kindly replies…
Is this a trick question…Ociunn…?
There is no such place as “purgatory”…and “we” don’t make up anything for our previous sins…JESUS CHRIST is the one who paid the price for sins in full by dying on the cross as OUR sin offering to God… The blood of Jesus Christ is the only “cover” for sin…
Therefore we can’t “make up” for our previous sins or our future sins somehow on our own… Jesus paid for them all when his blood was shed on the cross for US…past present and future…!
When Jesus returns will purgatory still exist for those sinners left upon the earth at that time who will be in a state of grace but have yet to make up for previous sins?
Eph kindly replies…
Is this a trick question…Ociunn…?
There is no such place as “purgatory”…and “we” don’t make up anything for our previous sins…JESUS CHRIST is the one who paid the price for sins in full by dying on the cross as OUR sin offering to God… The blood of Jesus Christ is the only “cover” for sin…
Therefore we can’t “make up” for our previous sins or our future sins somehow on our own… Jesus paid for them all when his blood was shed on the cross for US…past present and future…!
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thistle
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YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG AND TALKING COMPLETE RUBBISH!!ocuinn asks…
When Jesus returns will purgatory still exist for those sinners left upon the earth at that time who will be in a state of grace but have yet to make up for previous sins?
Eph kindly replies…
Is this a trick question…Ociunn…?
There is no such place as “purgatory”…and “we” don’t make up anything for our previous sins…JESUS CHRIST is the one who paid the price for sins in full by dying on the cross as OUR sin offering to God… The blood of Jesus Christ is the only “cover” for sin…
Therefore we can’t “make up” for our previous sins or our future sins somehow on our own… Jesus paid for them all when his blood was shed on the cross for US…past present and future…!
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Pryority7
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Okay…Let’s be nice here.ocuinn asks…
When Jesus returns will purgatory still exist for those sinners left upon the earth at that time who will be in a state of grace but have yet to make up for previous sins?
Eph kindly replies…
Is this a trick question…Ociunn…?
There is no such place as “purgatory”…and “we” don’t make up anything for our previous sins…JESUS CHRIST is the one who paid the price for sins in full by dying on the cross as OUR sin offering to God… The blood of Jesus Christ is the only “cover” for sin…
Therefore we can’t “make up” for our previous sins or our future sins somehow on our own… Jesus paid for them all when his blood was shed on the cross for US…past present and future…!
I can understand why you think there is no such place as purgatory because I used to not believe in it either for the same reasons you don’t. I believe in it now because the reasons I didn’t believe in it in the first place (which is your present opinion) were based on misinformation.
You are right in saying that Jesus paid the full price for our sins. Amen to that. Now HOW that payment, HOW that grace that we cannot and do not merit on our own is applied to us as believers is a different story. Jesus blood not so much just covers our sins, but elimates them. It’s happening now in our faith walk with the Lord. It’s called sanctification. This will be completed as we are going to heaven after we die. This completion is what we call Purgatory. So as you see, Purgatory is not really so much a place as it is a stage the soul goes through on it’s way to Heaven since scripture is clear that nothing unclean can enter (Rev 21). Purgatory is not us paying for our sins. Purgatory is cleaning us from the the presence of sin in our lives. Think about it. We still have a sin nature that we will always struggle with until we die. After we die, what does God do with that sin nature that has always been our “thorn in the flesh” so to speak? God removes it forever by the blood of His Son. This removal is Purgatory. It’s not a “salvation by works” belief. It’s not a “second chance” after death. It’s not a “third place” between heaven and hell. It is the beginning of Heaven. Our lives are read in judgement and then our lives are finally cleansed of the very things that we have allowed to hinder our lives from being as Christlike as we could be. It’s a full disposal of all that needs to be disposed as we are running into the arms of our Savior when we leave this world.
Because this is different from you are stating (what I used to believe myself a long time ago), I now believe in Purgatory because it is consistent with God and His Word and His Church.
Blessings
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nkelly
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Eph, you must realize that this is not what the RCC teaches!
The Blood of Christ buys/bought us forgiveness but doesn’t save
us from temporal punishment. We need to be purified and become spotless before we can come before God. Whihout this purification we wouldn’t dare face God out of sheer shame for our sins…
God bless,
Noel.
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Fidelis
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You seem to be unclear on the concepts of what Jesus actually accomplished on the Cross and what temporal punishment is and is not.There is no such place as “purgatory”…and “we” don’t make up anything for our previous sins…JESUS CHRIST is the one who paid the price for sins in full by dying on the cross as OUR sin offering to God… The blood of Jesus Christ is the only “cover” for sin…
Therefore we can’t “make up” for our previous sins or our future sins somehow on our own… Jesus paid for them all when his blood was shed on the cross for US…past present and future…!
What Jesus’ death on the Cross accomplished was to redeem the human race so, as a whole, they can be reconciled to God, something humans on their own could never have done. As a result, we can individually place our faith in him and through baptism and obedience be “born again” into a new life where we can approach God as a merciful judge and thus be saved. It does NOT let us off scot-free from ALL the temporal consequences of our personal sins. Otherwise we could literally sin with impunity.
The way to think of the temporal “punishments” is, not as punishment in the sense of eternal punishment, but as direct consequences of the sins we commit. The example commonly used is of the boy who breaks the neighbor’s window with a rock. He goes to her house and apologizes to her, and she forgives him (she doesn’t call the police and have him prosecuted as a vandal). The fact that she forgives him, however, does not satisfy justice–what else must be done? There is still the matter of the broken window–the damage is done and must be made right. If the boy is truly repentant, even if he is not to be punished, he will fix the window to undo the damage, because it is the right thing to do. The damage must be undone by him because he is truly repentant and taking responsibility for his actions.
Jesus’ redeeming sacrifice on the Cross notwithstanding, we will all occasionally commit personal sins. Whenever we sin, those sins have immediate consequences. Something was damaged – someone’s property, reputation, feelings, rights, etc. And that includes God, for those sins which are commited directly against him (like blasphemy). If we do not completely make reparation in this life, justice demands that we complete that in the next life – and that is what Purgatory is. Purgatory is actually a proof of God’s mercy since by all rights, he should deny us entry to heaven if we are not truly repentant (still attached to our sins), even though he has forgiven our sins. As it says in Revelation 21:27, nothing unclean shall enter heaven. In Hebrews 12:14 it says we should strive for the holiness without which no one shall see God.
For more info, see this Catholic Answers tract:
catholic.com/library/Purgatory.asp
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NonDenom
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EPHRIAM777 said:Therefore we can’t “make up” for our previous sins or our future sins somehow on our own… Jesus paid for them all when his blood was shed on the cross for US…past present and future…!
Hi Eph
You realy don’t understand this Purgatory thing, so let me fill you in. Purgatory is this long room that kinda reminds you of a car wash, you get on this track that pulls you along while water jet like things spray sin cleaner all over your body. I’m told that there are different types of cleaners for different types of sins. I’m also told that there are Angels at the end of the washing process with sin scrubbers in case you still have some sin residue behind the ears or under the nails. Once you have gone through “The Purging” you will go through this wind tunnel to dry you off. The length of time that you spend in Purgatory will of course depend how dirty from sin you are. Hope this helps.
In Him and Only Him
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neweyes
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You forgot the spritz of “new car smell” 
P.S. Don’t roll down your windows for 24 hours.
P.S. Don’t roll down your windows for 24 hours.
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awfulthings9
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And, to explain how the imputed righteousness, no-Purgatory crowd understands things - God takes a look at your dirty, filthy, covered with hail bumps car and says, “Well, rather than run it through the wash, let’s just toss a Christ-tarp over top so we can’t see the dirt underneath.”
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NonDenom
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That tarp is the blood of Christ
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awfulthings9
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Of course it is. But are you implying that something unclean can enter Heaven as long as we can’t see it under the blood of Christ?Hi
That tarp is the blood of Christ
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