Will reunification of the the east and western churches be imminent

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I know that the pope and some and eastern bishops want to reunify, but a portion of both churches don’t want reunification. But can’t we just settle down, unite, and have a huge council of each problem. Because I’m thinking of converting and I hate making choices. I just hope that they unite so that choice making decisions will be easier.
 
Unfortunately, I don’t think it will happen in our lifetime.

You might get a small group here or there … but nothing massive anytime soon.
 
I think the Church will pick off Eastern Orthodox churches as they break communion with each other, one by one. It’ll take a couple more centuries but I believe it will happen.
I too felt that my choice was always between EOC and Catholicism. I have to say, had a Byzantine parish been near to me I may have joined its Rite.
If you have a Byzantine parish near you I encourage you to attend. Eastern spirituality and tradition have a home in communion with Rome, and it’s not just for show. Their roots run just as deep (deeper in some cases) as their EOC counterparts.
 
The Catholic Church would welcome such a council. The largest Eastern church, the Russian Orthodox, will not, anytime soon. It will take prayer, and an act of The Holy Spirit.
 
This.

If the ROC was removed from the board, communion (not unification; that has never been and never will be) would occur within a matter of year.

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No, but it will happen, because Our Lord wills it. (John 17:21)
 
I know that the pope and some and eastern bishops want to reunify, but a portion of both churches don’t want reunification. But can’t we just settle down, unite, and have a huge council of each problem. Because I’m thinking of converting and I hate making choices. I just hope that they unite so that choice making decisions will be easier.
There was a statement issued on the differences by the Eastern Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople, in 1895 which enumerated many issues, signed by Patriarch Anthimos VII of Constantinople, Bishops Nicodemos of Cyzicos, Philotheos of Nicomedia, Jerome of Nicæa, Nathanael of Prusa, Basil of Smyrna, Stephen of Philadelphia, Athanasios of Lemnos, Bessarion of Dyrrachium, Dorotheos of Belgrade, Nicodemos of Elasson, Sophronios of Carpathos and Cassos and Dionysios of Eleutheropolis. The issues:
  1. Filioque.
  2. not requiring immersion baptism.
  3. using unleavened bread in the Eucharist.
  4. acting in persona Christi for confection of the Eucharist.
  5. exclusion of the Chalice to communicants and of Holy Communion to infants.
  6. The existence of Purgatory and the necessity of punishment for sins that are forgiven.
  7. The immaculate conception.
  8. The Pope is not considered to be the supreme authority and infallible head of the Church.
  9. The use of statues instead of icons.
  10. Compulsory Clerical Celibacy
  11. The Gregorian Calendar
  12. Holy Unction on the point of dying as the last provision for death.
 
But can’t we just settle down, unite, and have a huge council of each problem.
We tried at the Second Council of Lyons and at the Council of Florence and each time there was a reunion, with all disputed points of dogmatic substance being settled in the Catholic favor. Unfortunately, the East renewed the separation each time shortly afterward.

The separated Eastern Churches were also invited to participate in the First Vatican Council as well in order to effectuate a reunion, but they refused to participate.

Pope Bl. Pius IX, Arcano Divinae Providentiae
But at this time when, by the advice of Our Venerable Brethren the Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, We have proclaimed and called together an Ecumenical Synod to be celebrated next year in Rome and to be begun on the eighth of December sacred to the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary Mother of God, We again direct Our voice to you, and with the greatest possible earnestness beseech, admonish, and pressingly exhort you that you would come to the same general Synod, as your ancestors came to the Second Council of Lyons held by Our Predecessor Blessed Gregory X. of venerable memory, and to the Council of Florence held by Eugenius IV of happy memory also Our Predecessor; in order that the conditions of former love being renewed, and the peace of our Fathers—that heavenly and healthful gift of Christ which has withered by lapse of time—having been once more revoked to vigour, after the long-continued cloud of grief and black and deplorable night of long-continued dissension, the light of desired union may shine upon all.
Unfortunately, as recent history shows, the EO Churches have trouble even getting their own various Churches to participate in an EO synod, never mind one of this great import with the Catholic Church. There is also a major schism among two of their most prominent patriarchates, which wouldn’t help.
 
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Keep in mind though, there are ways to talk about purgatory using eastern terminology. Eastern Orthodox, do, after all, pray for the dead. Papal infallibility, that’s another issue altogether, but, there is certainly historical evidence that the East accepted it. I think there are so many misunderstandings from each side. I think that the biggest thing that the Orthodox fear is not so much papal infallibility and purgatory, but that they will be forced to undergo a Latinisation (this did really happen with Eastern Catholics, but, is thankfully going away). It’s a legitimate fear. But, not one, I think, should be an impediment to full communion.
 
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I know that the pope and some and eastern bishops want to reunify, but a portion of both churches don’t want reunification. But can’t we just settle down, unite, and have a huge council of each problem. Because I’m thinking of converting and I hate making choices. I just hope that they unite so that choice making decisions will be easier.
I hope that reunification is imminent! I think this is going to happen in stages, with particular churches one at a time. I don’t think that we can unite, though, before the councils or whatever talks and agreements must be made so that neither side is compromising the faith as they understand it.

You are right, it will make the choices easier for many people.
 
First off, we would enter into communion with the Orthodox. Our communion would be on of diversity in the Churches liturgies, expression of the faith and spirituality. Sure, the role of the Pope, bishop of Rome, would have to be talked about and what it means for the Eastern Churches. That is what makes the Chieti Document and other so important. Yes, they are not magisterial documents but the are dialogue between the two Churches that have so far become very fruitful.

Our dream is that we, as Eastern Catholics, would just blend in with our Orthodox counterpart. Now, not all Eastern Catholic Churches have a “counterpart” so there of course would be some work that would have to be done.

ZP
 
The requirement of immersion by baptism is not required even though some churches do. In the didache, it says that there are exceptions. because of different circumstances.
 
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