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jediliz
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^ This
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They have to make baptismal promises at the baptism – the same ones that we recite at Easter.
Will the church baptize the adopted kids of Same Sex Couples?
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They have to make baptismal promises at the baptism – the same ones that we recite at Easter.
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DanielJT
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I have to say this is tough, but I would tend to lean towards the above view on the topic.
If a SSC wanted to raise a child Catholic, which is to be expected if they want to get the child baptized in the Catholic Church, then they would have to address the issue of their relationship directly and emphatically with the child. Telling a child that what the parents are doing is sinful and against Church teaching, but they do it anyway - what does that teach the child about how to approach any sin?
With that being said, does the Church baptize the children of parents that have had a divorce and remarried without an annulment?
I honestly don’t know, but the couple living as a married couple when one or both requires an annulment is to be considered living in sin and against Catholic teaching. While the sin may not be as explicit as a SSC’s relationship, children engaged with the faith will figure it out.
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Corki
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From the Church’s perspective, nothing has changed.
Baptism: IF a couple can demonstrate to the priest that there is a well-founded hope that the child will be brought up Catholic, the priest should Baptize the child. If not, the Baptism should be delayed. For some same-sex couples, this will be a high bar they are unable or unwilling to reach. Only one of the couple would be listed as a parent on the Baptism certificate and the normal requirements for Godparents would still apply. Some care needs to be taken if there are group pre-Baptism classes.
Catholic Schools: many schools already accept children as students whose parents are in irregular relationships. I know that at my kids’ school, the parents got a “sit down” with the principal who explained that the curriculum would include Church teaching and that wouldn’t be watered down. The kids were going to learn (in an appropriate grade) that the parents’ lifestyle is sinful and immoral whether that be heterosexuals living together or a same-sex couple. If the parents were willing to accept that, they could still enroll. The school doesn’t change anything - forms still ask for mother’s and father’s information, parents are still expected to maintain propriety in interactions with the staff and other parents.
Many Catholic schools now have clauses in the Codes of Conduct that a parent whose actions are disruptive to the classroom or the administration of the school will be told to disenroll their student. This gives the school a lot of leeway to ensure that a same-sex couple doesn’t sew confusion about Church teaching or try to push “acceptance” onto teachers or other parents.
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Jeanne_S
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The core issue with SS unions is the fact that they are antithetical to God’s natural law.This fact gets muddled by notion that SS couples should be afforded the same rights as heterosexual couples.The fact remains they cannot procreate,it is an impossibility,will never happen. Bringing children into the equation through extraordinary means,is the only way they can become parents. So to address you comment in those married outside the Church,whatever their situation,yes they are also living a sinful lifestyle,however it isn’t disordered,in that such a couple is still acting within God’s natural law. My two cents worth.
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Rau
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Not me. I simply said that the priest is required to believe the prospects of that are reasonable.
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pianistclare
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This is not the case.
I worked in a Catholic school for years. We had many sets of gay parents.
I recall that there was a lesbian couple that assured us they were not sexually active. We didn’t ask, they simply offered the info.
They paid their tuition on time, we taught their children.
They were some of the best volunteers we had. I don’t know if it’s because they felt they had to prove something, but there were nice people. I did wonder when and if the other children would make an issue out of it. It never seemed to happen. People just looked the other way it seems. The children were treated very well.
At times when Catholic schools struggle so much, they’ll take anyone with a check that doesn’t bounce.
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St_Francis
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There is a huge difference between different religions in a marriage and same sexes in an attempted “marriage.” The latter involves an inherently sinful and truth-denying lifestyle.
How can two people who are living publically in an objectively sinful lifestyle possibly be able to raise children with an understanding that this sort of behavior is wrong? The situation will relativize all morality for the poor child(ren).
That being said, there are, sadly, priests who will go ahead and do it anyway.
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SilverLight
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You belive that and its ok. I was also not comparing one thing with the other
I was using it as an example. You see it as sinful and I really don’t care what another human being is doing in this situation because they are not causing great harm to another. I’m not one to judge and I really can’t because only God can do that. That child also deserves to be able to learn about God and Jesus. I would never hold them away from it if they want to go.
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Larry1700
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Agree with everything except “The issue of gay couples wanting their children baptized into a faith that they know is in direct conflict with their lifestyle seems unlikely.”
On the contrary, I think it will be VERY likely. We have seen LGBT activists frequently challenging the status quo, in order to make a point.
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Gorgias
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It teaches them that we’re all sinners.
The issue isn’t whether “they do it anyway” – after all, we all “do [sin] anyway”; the issue is that they sin unrepentantly.
Agreed – in this case, too, a student will learn that his parents are sinning and are in need of repentance. So, it’s clear that in both cases, baptism of a child doesn’t depend on the sinlessness of his parents.
The only difference between the two cases is that there is the (putative) possibility that the child of (heterosexual) parents who remarried without an annulment might one day contract valid marriage. (Nevertheless, that fact, on its own, is not the reason that their children may be baptized.)
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Rau
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I guess her meaning was “genuinely wants”…
Agree with everything except “The issue of gay couples wanting their children baptized into a faith that they know is in direct conflict with their lifestyle seems unlikely.”
On the contrary, I think it will be VERY likely. We have seen LGBT activists frequently challenging the status quo, in order to make a point.
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Memaw
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I am right out there on that limb with you. It’s the Children that suffer when adults use them for their own selfish reasons. I am nearly 80 years old and I can see how our society in America, (and it has spread throughout the world) has gone down that slippery slope to the point where only God can help us out of this mess. But first we have to turn to Him and repent.
2 Chronicles: 7-14
If My people, which are called
By My Name, shall humble
Themselves, and pray, and seek
My Face, and turn from their
wicked ways, then I will hear
From Heaven, and will forgive
their sin and will heal their land.
God Bless, Memaw
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St_Francis
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You may have a relativistic view of sin, but that is not a Catholic view of sin. It is not I, or the Pope, or anyone in between who condemns homosexual activity as sinful; *it is God Who does so. *
Again, not a Catholic view. The Catholic view is that the problem with sin is that it causes *spiritual *harm to oneself and to the world. Just because something *seems *not to cause physical or material harm to others is not the basis for discerning the sinful nature of an act.
(Also, homosexual activity leads to higher rates of various physical problems, so it can’t even be said to be “not hurting others.”)
What God judges is the state of the person’s soul, and we are not to judge that. However, we can *and must *pay attention to the sinful nature of actions. First, we must decide whether or not to engage in actions outselves, and second, we must consider the actions of others in relation to how we relate to them. (ETA: There are other reasons as well.)
For example, there are many people out there who are judging those who exhibit the Confederate flag. Some say, those people are racist, they are evil <<<that is judging the state of their soul. Others are saying flying that flag is a bad thing to do <<< they are judging the *action. *The latter group would probably decline to become friends with someone wearing a Confederate flag jacket, no?
But what will the child learn if his purported parents are living a sinful life? They will see the Church as hypocritical. Better for the Church if the priests take a stand and say no to baptizing children who seem to be about to be raised in a situation which is a public display of objective sinfulness.
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polki
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It’s already been going on in Massachusetts for years. Baptized, Communion, Confirmed. The child of the same sex couple I know got a scholarship to Catholic High School from the Archdiocese.
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JimG
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I grew up learning religion lessons from the Baltimore Catechism and the nuns. My mother was a Catholic, my Dad was not. It was what was then called a “mixed marriage,” Catholic and non-Catholic.
One of the questions in the Catechism concerned the Church’s disapproval of mixed marriages. As a nine year old, that worried me. Had mom and dad broken with Church law? I worried over it. One evening I asked my mother about the question. “What about you and dad?” She assured me that they had received permission to marry and everything was okay. That was a big relief.
I would have worried even more if I had learned the Church teaching about homosexuality and then realized that my parents were practicing homosexuals. It would have been so embarrassing that I might not even have mentioned it to them, but I would have worried a lot.
One of the questions in the Catechism concerned the Church’s disapproval of mixed marriages. As a nine year old, that worried me. Had mom and dad broken with Church law? I worried over it. One evening I asked my mother about the question. “What about you and dad?” She assured me that they had received permission to marry and everything was okay. That was a big relief.
I would have worried even more if I had learned the Church teaching about homosexuality and then realized that my parents were practicing homosexuals. It would have been so embarrassing that I might not even have mentioned it to them, but I would have worried a lot.
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BeccaPax
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Catholic single parents should be treated with love and compassion. Catholic married parents should be treated with love and compassion. Those participating in a same sex union should be treated with love and compassion.
The sacrament of marriage requires one man and one woman. All people should be treated with love and compassion. THAT is Church teaching.
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pianistclare
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Everyone will stand before God for their actions.
Sometimes, a couple come to the parish seeking Baptism for their child (because it’s expected) with absolutely no desire to practice the faith or to raise their child in the faith. They want to “cover all bases” and then allow the child to decide on their own.
They are always refused Baptism.
When people come in, have been attending church all along, seem to have a desire for the faith/sacraments and express that desire for their child? The child receives Baptism.
All the other stuff in their hearts and private lives, the priests leave to God.
**If asked, he will speak the truth. **
But honestly, no one really knows what goes on at home, do we?
Some of the most respected people have been discovered to be quite false.
Only God knows our hearts. The rest of us have only words to go on.
Sometimes, a couple come to the parish seeking Baptism for their child (because it’s expected) with absolutely no desire to practice the faith or to raise their child in the faith. They want to “cover all bases” and then allow the child to decide on their own.
They are always refused Baptism.
When people come in, have been attending church all along, seem to have a desire for the faith/sacraments and express that desire for their child? The child receives Baptism.
All the other stuff in their hearts and private lives, the priests leave to God.
**If asked, he will speak the truth. **
But honestly, no one really knows what goes on at home, do we?
Some of the most respected people have been discovered to be quite false.
Only God knows our hearts. The rest of us have only words to go on.
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adawgj
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I think they should be baptized. Baptism is the seed to start growing in faith.
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JimG
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Some years ago, my wife and I were asked to be godparents for two children of her brother, a lapsed Catholic who had not been to church in years. I’m not sure why, but we agreed. I thought the priest would deny or delay the baptism. The mother and father, who had never married, were not then living together. They had given the children no religious education. The mother said she was just going along with their father, who said that he just thought they should be given every possible advantage.
So the kids were baptized at mass the next day. (They arrived late.) As far as I know that’s the last mass any of them have ever attended. So what was the point? And now I worry: I live a thousand miles away. Am I going to be held responsible by God for failing to ensure these children were brought up in the faith?
Why ask for baptism for a child if he is not going to be raised Catholic? It makes no sense.
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