Will we know those in hell?

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Someone recently made a statement that didn’t sound correct to me and I was hoping someone could clear it up.

This person said that when we die and go to heaven we will have no memory of anyone we knew who is in hell, they said that memory of them will be wiped from our minds and thoughts. They said because once we are in heaven we will not remember those who we know that ended up in hell. Is this true? I don’t think it is. If I am correct how can I back that up? I find it hard to believe that if I get to heaven and my wife and kids don’t that I will not remember I was a husband and a father. This life and what we do has a direct bearing on our eternal salvation, so my vocation would have something to do with my eternal life how could I not know it?

I hope you will be able to answer this question.
 
hi,

our memories will remain intact in the next life.
please check “the summa” located at “newadvent.org”
for further info.

God bless,

johnco
 
Wow that’s a big site. Do you know the exact place to go when I get there? Thanks
 
hi,

go to newadvent.org click summa, click third part of summa,
click resurrection, actually it’s the suppliment to the third part listed as “suplimentum tertiae partes” then click resurrection.

God bless,

johnco
 
logan,

just as a p.s. it is question number 94 in “supplimentum tertiae partes”

God bless,

johnco
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I would suggest The Catechism of the Catholic church, 314. There the Church teaches " partial knowledge will cease. Also Lk 12:2, " There is nothing concealed that will not be revealed" Also Lk. 8:17 " There is nothing hidden that will not be visible." and Mt.10:26 “Nothing is concealed that will not be revealed, nor secret that will not be known.” Also Jn. 14:26; 1Cor 13:12;
My additional thinking is that in order for us " to be like Him because we see Him as He IS.", we have to be given a truly infinite amount of graces to see the infinite God "“as He IS” and therefore we must know all things because it is impossible for there to be anything outside of God, (such as a memory of a child) because then He is not infinite. That is why I asked in two questions the sum of which is the question of the apologists " in the end, will those in hell forever and ever be outside of the infinite, universal kingdom of God; or will they be in the kingdom but not in heaven with the beatific vision, rather in hell with the knowledge of the loss of the beatific vision?
 
Logan said:
Someone recently made a statement that didn’t sound correct to me and I was hoping someone could clear it up.

This person said that when we die and go to heaven we will have no memory of anyone we knew who is in hell, they said that memory of them will be wiped from our minds and thoughts. They said because once we are in heaven we will not remember those who we know that ended up in hell. Is this true? I don’t think it is. If I am correct how can I back that up? I find it hard to believe that if I get to heaven and my wife and kids don’t that I will not remember I was a husband and a father. This life and what we do has a direct bearing on our eternal salvation, so my vocation would have something to do with my eternal life how could I not know it?

I hope you will be able to answer this question.
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What kind of heaven would that be anyway? How could you ever be happy and live in perfect harmony when you know your own wife and children are burning and screaming in pain? And the next day the same, and after a couple of months they still burn and burn and burn. This does not make any sense whatsoever.
 
pedja said:
What kind of heaven would that be anyway? How could you ever be happy and live in perfect harmony when you know your own wife and children are burning and screaming in pain? And the next day the same, and after a couple of months they still burn and burn and burn. This does not make any sense whatsoever.
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May I suggest you read C.S. Lewis’ novel “The Great Divorce”? There’s a direct answer to that very question.
 
theistgal said:
May I suggest you read C.S. Lewis’ novel “The Great Divorce”? There’s a direct answer to that very question.
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I will try to get hold of that book, thanks.

But my point still stands though, how could I possibly enjoy such heaven? Even if I understand rationally the reason why they are punished, I still do not picture myslef living ignorant of the fact that I just lived 25.000 years of a blessed heavenly life while my children are still burning. And after 600.000 years I am still alive and they are still burning. And after 85 billions of years they still burn?! I would not be able nor ready to take this.

Which would ultimatelly mean that I would be more compassionate then the allmighty God himself.
 
pedja said:
I will try to get hold of that book, thanks.

But my point still stands though, how could I possibly enjoy such heaven? Even if I understand rationally the reason why they are punished, I still do not picture myslef living ignorant of the fact that I just lived 25.000 years of a blessed heavenly life while my children are still burning. And after 600.000 years I am still alive and they are still burning. And after 85 billions of years they still burn?! I would not be able nor ready to take this.

Which would ultimatelly mean that I would be more compassionate then the allmighty God himself.
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These are awful thoughts; but look, you are not the only one to puzzle over exactly the same concerns.

I have some comments which might help. Firstly, I do not think that time ‘passes’ in eternity they way we experience it in this life. I do not think that months, years, or centuries, will be experienced in the way we do in this temporal life. In fact, I don’t think we will measure time at all - it will be a quite different form of experience. Secondly, as to burning. I think this word is used to mark the terrible separation from God which the godless will for themselves. And it is used to frighten us in my opinion. In what sense bodies and souls will be burned without being destroyed is unknown, But it is a mark of the absence of God in their existence. Thirdly, as I understand the reward of Heaven, and though it seems harsh to say so, those who attain the sight of God and dwell with Him will be totally fulfilled and taken up into Him. So I think there cannot be a sorrow for those not there, or else it would lack total fulfilment.

Finally, our grasp of these future things is very much tempered by our experience of earthly life and our loved ones as we have it today. So, we can only think of Heaven and Hell in terms of analogies and metaphors. We place our trust in God that the afterlife for those who are saved will be a just and rewarding one, without sorrow or concern. What our task is now, of course, is to take as many of those we care for as we can with us on the road to being saved.

Malperdy.
 
pedja said:
I will try to get hold of that book, thanks.

But my point still stands though, how could I possibly enjoy such heaven? Even if I understand rationally the reason why they are punished, I still do not picture myslef living ignorant of the fact that I just lived 25.000 years of a blessed heavenly life while my children are still burning. And after 600.000 years I am still alive and they are still burning. And after 85 billions of years they still burn?! I would not be able nor ready to take this.

Which would ultimatelly mean that I would be more compassionate then the allmighty God himself.
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Let’s turn it around, shall we? Let’s say it’s you who wind up in hell, and your wife and children go to heaven.

Are you saying that because you made the choice to be separated from God for all eternity, your wife and children have no right to be happy in heaven anyway? That because you chose to turn your back on eternal happiness, they must eternally mourn you?
 
If as the Catholic Church teaches in the CCC 314 “Partial knowledge ceases” we will know everything, all at once, by God’s grace. We will also be filled with the Holy Spirit and all His gifts, including sorrow for all our sins as we gaze upon our Lord and God whom our sins crucified. CCC 1432.
Somewhere I read that we would will exactly as God does, IF, we knew all the details like He does. If someone refuses in this life to “accept the love of the truth so that they may be saved”, 2Thes. 2:10; If we get to heaven, we will know and accept God’s will to accept their self-imposed damnation as the just and right thing for the glory of God. We will praise God for His infinite mercy in giving all in his infinite kingdom the peace, love, joy and thankfulness He had on the Cross.
 
Yes, those in Heaven will know even their our spouses and kids, should they end up in Hell.

And … those in Heaven will rejoice in the suffering of the damned, even if it is inflicted upon their own spouses and kids. They will rejoice in it as an execution of divine justice and because of their own escape from the wrath.

See this thread for an explanation.

Or this exposition from Aquinas.
 
God knows those people are in hell and it doesn’t affect His happiness so why should it affect the happiness of those in Heaven who are enjoying the Beautific Vision.
 
I would think that if we were to unfortunately to go to Hell, we would not care. Too much pain. If we fortunately get to Heaven, we would not care. Too much joy.🙂 Peace.
 
This is an interesting subject, thank you for bringing it to our attention. As the human mind cannot comprehend certain things like eternity and the Tri-une nature of God, so we cannot comprehend heaven with all it’s joy and all the pain and suffering of hell. Also, our friends and relatives that will be separated from us for all eternity is a very painful thing to understand. I love my wife more than myself and cannot imagine a day without her much less eternity. She is my best friend and has been so good and sweet to me. If she were to die, I know she would be in heaven as she is a great Catholic Christian and would be in the Army of Saints praying for me. I would miss her so bad and I would not know how I would hope to cope without her…

But here is the question: Do you think God would allow her to suffer if I went to hell? I know that our minds are limited, and God is unlimited. I know God loves her more than I could ever love her. And I know she can do all things through Christ that strengthens her. So it comes down to not whether God “can do” something, but “how does” He do something.

That is where we can look at things around us, the trees, the birds, the moon, even the dirt. We know God made all these things. God made everthing. We just don’t know how. How can God take nothing and make it into something? The same with this question: How can God wipe away every tear? The How is what troubles us.

I can relate in my martial arts training: I see my Grandmaster doing something. It might be something amazing or it might be something that is relatively simple. Somethings “the how” just pops up and it is really easy to mimic. And through repetition I can do “the how” on a really simple thing. But at the sametime: I recognize that somethings I may never do anywhere close to what my Grandmaster can do. The how will never make sense. But I know that it can be done because I have seen it. And I trust my Grandmaster can do it.

How much more is God above this level? Especially in matters of the Heart? He died for us enduring the pain and suffering of the cross, scrougings, humiliations, denials, being betrayed. He will not leave us orphans and widows. He will give us the strength to carry on, here and in eternity.

Ok that is my post of the day. God bless you all.
 
Ted_in_Charlott said:
This is an interesting subject, thank you for bringing it to our attention. As the human mind cannot comprehend certain things like eternity and the Tri-une nature of God, so we cannot comprehend heaven with all it’s joy and all the pain and suffering of hell. Also, our friends and relatives that will be separated from us for all eternity is a very painful thing to understand. I love my wife more than myself and cannot imagine a day without her much less eternity. She is my best friend and has been so good and sweet to me. If she were to die, I know she would be in heaven as she is a great Catholic Christian and would be in the Army of Saints praying for me. I would miss her so bad and I would not know how I would hope to cope without her…

But here is the question: Do you think God would allow her to suffer if I went to hell? I know that our minds are limited, and God is unlimited. I know God loves her more than I could ever love her. And I know she can do all things through Christ that strengthens her. So it comes down to not whether God “can do” something, but “how does” He do something.

That is where we can look at things around us, the trees, the birds, the moon, even the dirt. We know God made all these things. God made everthing. We just don’t know how. How can God take nothing and make it into something? The same with this question: How can God wipe away every tear? The How is what troubles us.

I can relate in my martial arts training: I see my Grandmaster doing something. It might be something amazing or it might be something that is relatively simple. Somethings “the how” just pops up and it is really easy to mimic. And through repetition I can do “the how” on a really simple thing. But at the sametime: I recognize that somethings I may never do anywhere close to what my Grandmaster can do. The how will never make sense. But I know that it can be done because I have seen it. And I trust my Grandmaster can do it.

How much more is God above this level? Especially in matters of the Heart? He died for us enduring the pain and suffering of the cross, scrougings, humiliations, denials, being betrayed. He will not leave us orphans and widows. He will give us the strength to carry on, here and in eternity.

Ok that is my post of the day. God bless you all.
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Bless you!!! 👍 Peace.
 
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