Willing Shepherds of Jesus Christ

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I like to consider these groups as Neo-Protestants. They use the same arguments of Henry VIII or Luther, both of whom considered themselves “catholic”. Just another right wing protestant organization.

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Tha hallmark of any heretical or schismatical group is the idea that they can do it better than the real deal.
 
Yes they are schismatic.

But, I do not see you, and others on this forum, make such posts like this, and speak like that about the Eastern Orthodox…

:hmmm:
 
CatholicNick said:
Yes they are schismatic.

But, I do not see you, and others on this forum, make such posts like this, and speak like that about the Eastern Orthodox…

:hmmm:
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And you have just pointed out the difference between material schismatics (The Eastern Orthodox), and formal schismatics (the current crop of Sedevacentists, ect. . .).

Yours in Christ,
Thursday
 
CatholicNick said:
Yes they are schismatic.

But, I do not see you, and others on this forum, make such posts like this, and speak like that about the Eastern Orthodox…

:hmmm:
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A quick perusal of history and the traditional policy of the Church will show that those first generation schismatics/heretics are treated much more harshly than those who have never been enlightened by the truth.
 
Here is the teaching by the First Vatican Council:
  1. Consequently, the situation of those, who by the heavenly gift of faith have embraced the Catholic truth, is by no means the same as that of those who, led by human opinions, follow a false religion; for those who have accepted the faith under the guidance of the Church can never have any just cause for changing this faith or for calling it into question.
 
CatholicNick said:
Yes they are schismatic.

But, I do not see you, and others on this forum, make such posts like this, and speak like that about the Eastern Orthodox…

:hmmm:
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A) This is the Traditional Catholicism forum not the Eastern Orthodox forum so therefore we are talking about that…
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B) the EO’s aren’t saying that they’re traditional Roman Catholics as this little group is.
 
Genesis315 said:
Here is the teaching by the First Vatican Council:
  1. Consequently, the situation of those, who by the heavenly gift of faith have embraced the Catholic truth, is by no means the same as that of those who, led by human opinions, follow a false religion; for those who have accepted the faith under the guidance of the Church can never have any just cause for changing this faith or for calling it into question.
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Proto-Evangelium:
Perhaps a good distinction would be that the Eastern Orthodox clearly define themselves so as to make the distinction between themselves and Rome. A traditionalist (or liberal) schismatic “Catholic” group, on the other hand, can be claiming to be the true bearers of authentic Catholic tradition and can lead others away from the Church with a more subtle and dangerous deception. Maybe?
 
AngelicDoctor said:
Proto-Evangelium:
Perhaps a good distinction would be that the Eastern Orthodox clearly define themselves so as to make the distinction between themselves and Rome. A traditionalist (or liberal) schismatic “Catholic” group, on the other hand, can be claiming to be the true bearers of authentic Catholic tradition and can lead others away from the Church with a more subtle and dangerous deception. Maybe?
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That’s a good point too 👍 . But just in general, very stern condemnations came down on those who were directly guilty of the crimes, whereas more diplomatic and friendly means have been urged to bring into the fold those who were enver Catholic to begin with. They were given the benefit of the doubt of ignorance.

PS: No one has ever called me proto-evangelium–I love it! 😃

(I’m glad you didn’t confuse my name with Gen. 31:5 😛 ).
 
bear06 said:
A) This is the Traditional Catholicism forum not the Eastern Orthodox forum so therefore we are talking about that…
and
B) the EO’s aren’t saying that they’re traditional Roman Catholics as this little group is.
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But the EO’s do worse. They say Roman Catholicism is wrong in general…
 
Missa_Solemnis said:
But the EO’s do worse. They say Roman Catholicism is wrong in general…
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So do thousands of others but this isn’t the forum for it. You’re missing the conversation. If I’m on the EO forum I’m not going to start talking about some radical traditionalist group.
Thats because they claim to be the Catholic Church, while ignore essential aspects of the True Church, namely the Supremacy of the Papacy.
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We are talking about the Willing Shepherds here, right?
 
Missa_Solemnis said:
But the EO’s do worse. They say Roman Catholicism is wrong in general…
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And so do Protestants and a thousand other denominations.

At least EOs don’t presume to know more about Catholicism than the Pope himself, nor set themselves up as their own magisteriums, only that they simply and categorically reject papal jurisdiction and authority altogether.
 
At least EOs don’t presume to know more about Catholicism than the Pope himself, nor set themselves up as their own magisteriums, only that they simply and categorically reject papal jurisdiction and authority altogether.
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Dear “robedwithlight”:

The EO reject the papacy outright. They are schismatics and since Vatican I they are heretics. A traditionalist Catholic may reject what he sees as false disciplines and false teachers but he does not reject any Catholic Dogma nor does he separate himself from the papacy by rejecting it outright.

Do you think the EO are in a better position than a traditional Catholic…either SSPX or Sedevacantist?

Gorman
 
gorman64 said:
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Do you think the EO are in a better position than a traditional Catholic…either SSPX or Sedevacantist?

Gorman
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Objectively no–they are the same–but subjectively, someone who was once in full Communion who left is more likely to be mortally guilty. This is why pope Bl. Pius IX invited the EOs to Vatican I (they declined), but he treated the group of bishops who would later become Old Catholics very harshly.
 
CatQuilt said:
Unfortunately, they’re trying to gain a foothold in Boston. Wish Cardinal Sean would let FSSP in here.
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I came across their website when it was linked by Spirit Daily. There was a beautiful picture on Spirit Daily, and when you clicked on it, up came the article about the Willing Shepherds and Boston. Nowhere did it say they were sedevacantists, though. (I only recently found out that they were sedevacantists) There were some very beautiful traditional pictures on their website that I downloaded to my computer. 😃

I think they profess to be third order Dominicans, too. That must kind of rile the valid third order Dominicans!
 
Objectively no–they are the same
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How are they the same? One rejects the papacy…and the others are reacting to the destruction in the Church. You may disagree about their reaction…but there is a huge gorilla in the room and it seems at least the traditionalists can see it. Others are either modernist themselves…or they just don’t see any problem…they like the Church the way it is…it does not bother them and therefore they do not bother it.

I am not defending “The Willing Shepherds of Christ”…I can’t even tell who they are…but I cannot defend the Boston Archdiocese either…as I’m not sure who they are either.
 
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