Windswept House

[Paul_Folbrecht]

Finished it not long ago.

A few things I wonder about.

1. Is it true that JP2 never gave approval for altar girls? I’ve read recently that approval was given for cases where there are not enough boys, but obviously that is abused anyway.
2. Did the “Enthronement” really occur? Of course, everybody wonders about that. Who was Martin’s source? How did he know? Etc., etc.
3. Did the investigation into homosexuality and satanism in the U.S. really take place?

Any more information out there?

 

[Formosus]

1. He gave a grudgingly approval of use them if you need to but its better to use boys and men and that you really don’t even need to allow girl altar boys if you don’t want.
2. I don’t know, Its a pretty serious accusation and I want to rest on innocent until proven guilty.
3. I don’t know.

Fr. Martin was a very interesting figure who played both sides at various points of his history. I am not so sure he is the most trustworthy source out there.

 

[Paul_Folbrecht]

I’m not so sure he’s completely trustworthy either. Completely sincere and well-meaning, but overly pessimistic despite the fact that he was quite correct that the situation of the Church was dire. But - less so now, I think! I think in Malachi’s world, we never would have had a successor to JP2 like the one we do have - orthodox, traditional, uncompromising, and brilliant.

This is what I wondered about the most, actually: What did Malachi mean when he kept insisting that most sacraments and Masses in the U.S. were “invalid”? We know that an unworthy priest - even one in persistent mortal sin - still affects valid sacraments because Christ acts through him. MM seems to imply that schismatic bishops (that were schismatic in effect ONLY, not outwardly) could not perform valid holy orders, thus we have tons of priests who are not priests. But where does he get this? How does he support it? He doesn’t try to in the book. I can’t imagine God would allow such a situation to exist, for a large number of devout faithful would be without sacraments unbeknownst to them.

 

[GerardP]

I think in Malachi’s world, we never would have had a successor to JP2 like the one we do have - orthodox, traditional, uncompromising, and brilliant.

I think you are making the Holy Father into more of a traditionalist than he is. Fr. Martin wrote extensivelyl on the papacy including the diffferences among the various Popes. Benedict XVI is trying to reconcile the Council’s view on collegiality with the supremacy of the Pope. Paul VI tried but failed primarily because he had no mechanisms of authority other than brute force.

This is what I wondered about the most, actually: What did Malachi mean when he kept insisting that most sacraments and Masses in the U.S. were “invalid”?

In his interviews with Bernard Janzen, he stated as his personal opinion that most Novus Ordos were invalid due to some defect of either form, matter or intention. He thought the intention of the priest was probably the major cause of invalidity because he believed that most post-conciliar priests had no intention of doing what the Church intends namely offering a sacrifice.

We know that an unworthy priest - even one in persistent mortal sin - still affects valid sacraments because Christ acts through him.

Provided the form, matter and intention are correct.

MM seems to imply that schismatic bishops (that were schismatic in effect ONLY, not outwardly) could not perform valid holy orders, thus we have tons of priests who are not priests.

I believe he said that they intentionally did not want to consecrate priests. Charles Coulombe mentioned a case in the 1950’s where a dying bishop admitted that he had deliberately witheld his intention. All of the priests that he’d “ordained” were conditionally re-ordained and a few of them went insane. I don’t know how public the story was and Coulombe I guess would be the person to find out the details from.

But where does he get this? How does he support it?

He stated that his group of priestly investigators (Fr. Charles Fiore, Fr. Alfred Kunz and others) went around investigating ordinations and following the ceremonies which often had been changed from the approved forms issued by Rome.

He doesn’t try to in the book. I can’t imagine God would allow such a situation to exist, for a large number of devout faithful would be without sacraments unbeknownst to them.

Maybe it’s God’s way of sifting through the large numbers. Leaving the lukewarm in their lukewarmness and requiring those with zeal to make extra efforts.

There are many parishes rife with Liturgical Abuse and heterodox teaching that are very popular and “successful.” I can’t imagine God is pleased with that situation but He allows it and the people may think they are devout. As Fr. Martin said, “They’ve been led by the nose out of the Church.”

 

[GerardP]

1. He gave a grudgingly approval of use them if you need to but its better to use boys and men and that you really don’t even need to allow girl altar boys if you don’t want.

According to Fr. Martin two weeks after he told Mother Teresa publicly that there would be no altar girls while he was pope. A letter was sent out by a congregation with an interpretation of the law that would allow altar girls. Fr. Martin said it was problematic because it had no protocol number. The point was to get the abuse practiced and show JPII that he wasn’t in charge of the Church.

JPII was not going to get into a fight with his own curia publicly over this issue, so he let it go.

Fr. Martin was a very interesting figure who played both sides at various points of his history. I am not so sure he is the most trustworthy source out there.

In order to understand Fr. Martin, you must read Windswept House and his earlier books. Fr. Martin is ultimately the character of Christian Gladstone. A young priest being courted by both liberals and the Pope and being told by the Pope to continue to play both sides.

Gladstone’s character finds politics to be more important to many officials than the salvation of souls. He even finds himself questioning the policies and even the orthodoxy of the Holy Father at one point.

The book is a blend of Fr. Martin’s experiences with John XXIII, Cardinal Bea, Cardinal Ottaviani etc. And he superimposes those scenes on their more contemporary counterparts and updates the issues in the Church to our day.

 

[GerardP]

1. Did the “Enthronement” really occur? Of course, everybody wonders about that. Who was Martin’s source? How did he know? Etc., etc.

The little girl who was abused as part of the Satanic ceremony in North Carolina came to Fr. Fiore. Fiore made contact with Fr. Martin and Fr. Martin had contacts in Rome. The events are pieced together from various sources that confirmed one another.

1. Did the investigation into homosexuality and satanism in the U.S. really take place?

Any more information out there?

Fr. Martin claimed to have given the Pope, tape recordings, photographs and letters. “First class reportage…And he has done nothing…NOTHING!”

When it was believed that nothing would be done from Rome, Fr. Martin, Fiore, and Kunz proceeded to enact a strategy to draw things out into the open.

Fr. Martin would attack certain bishops on their doctrinal orthodoxy via the radio and taped interviews. Anything in which they would be able to take legal measures against them would be published in fictional forms with Fr. Martin only lightly veiling their identity.

Fr. Fiore and Fr. Kunz would use their radio show to educate the faithful and promote movements by the laiety that would expose pedophiles and other abuses. Stephen Brady of Roman Catholic Faithful was one of these. rcf.org/

Much of this information is available in the media and much has been collected by William H. Kennedy in “Lucifer’s Lodge: Satanic Ritual Abuse in the Catholic Church.”

You can download the book for free. Read the introduction at least and you’ll get a sense of what happened.

lulu.com/items/volume_16/297000/297525/1/print/LucifersLodgeText%5B1%5D.pdf

Fr. Kunz was murdered many suspect because of his involvement and a cow was ritually slaughtered the same night not too far away possibly as a calling card and a warning.

catholic.org/featured/headline.php?ID=744

And as of 2005 there is still evidence of evil within the Church.

Here is an article of religious statues that were used to transport dead fetuses into the U.S. for what many believe were Satanic rituals.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4293934.stm

*The corpses were wrapped in plastic and concealed inside statues of Christian icons, which were smashed open.

Colombian police chief Gen Jord Alirio Varon said the four- to five-month-old foetuses could have been intended for use in Satanic rituals.

Gen Varon said the foetuses were found alongside crucifixes and medals. *

 

[stmaria]

=Paul Folbrecht;3480490]

A few things I wonder about.

1. Is it true that JP2 never gave approval for altar girls? I’ve read recently that approval was given for cases where there are not enough boys, but obviously that is abused anyway.

The first altar girls were introduced in 1966 without approval. The practice continued to spread. Pope Paul never allowed altar girls and Pope John Paul never allowed altar girls until 1994.

Approved and Confirmed by His Holiness Pope John Paul II April 17, 1980

Inaestimabile Donum
adoremus.org/InaestimabileDonum.html
18: “There are, of course, various roles that women can perform in the liturgical assembly: these include reading the Word of God and proclaiming the intentions of the Prayer of the Faithful. **Women are not, however, permitted to act as altar servers”. **

Altar girls allowed
adoremus.org/0302Altargirls.html

1. Did the investigation into homosexuality and satanism in the U.S. really take place?

Read the book *Goodbye, Good Men *by Michael Rose on the homosexual movement in the Church

 

[ac_claire]

1. Did the “Enthronement” really occur? Of course, everybody wonders about that. Who was Martin’s source? How did he know? Etc., etc.
2. Did the investigation into homosexuality and satanism in the U.S. really take place?

My opinion: Fr. Martin is one of the best writers I’ve ever read. I do, however, take the “historical” accuracy of his books with a grain of salt, based on other things I’ve read and the general controversy that always followed him. It should be noted however that the main controversy concerned his “release” from his vows and thus the current validity (right word?) of his priesthood. After his death the Jesuits confirmed that what Fr. Martin had claimed all along re: his priestly history and status was the truth.

Re: satansim in the U.S., I trust Fr. Martin’s views more than just about anyone else’s.

 

[sphilomena]

I found this to be a fascinating book. Gerard’s information is very interesting; I wondered for years if they would ever find out who murdered Fr. Kunz. I have the highest regard for Fr. Fiore. Fr. Martin’s descriptions of Satanic ritual and homosexuality should not be too surprising considering the things that have come to light in recent years. Satan will do anything to try to destroy the Catholic Church, the voice of Truth.