Wine till the time of John the Baptist.

[Pug]

Its interesting to know that about nazirism.

However I still retain my view regarding wine and I will follow this quote (1 Corinthians 10:23-24):
“Everything is permissible"—but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible”—but not everything is constructive. Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others.”

Indeed. Let us be thankful for what we have, and when we eat/drink or when we don’t eat/drink, let it be for the glory of God, with joy.

 

[Bill_Pick]

Indeed. Let us be thankful for what we have, and when we eat/drink or when we don’t eat/drink, let it be for the glory of God, with joy.

I,m 75 years old and I have a glass on wine each night just one its good for my blood and my doc told me you have it

 

[pismopal]

When grapes are crushed into liquid…the liquid becomes wine. Nothing can stop this except a process invented by a man named Welsh in the 19th century. Alcohol and wine prohibition is a tradition from non Catholic denominations …also relatively recently. I have a solution for those who have a problem with wine…don’t drink any:shrug:

 

[mlldrl]

Funny, St. Paul had this to say to Timothy.

Stop drinking only water, but have a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent illnesses. (1Tim 5:23)

Did St. Paul not understand his own teaching on drinking wine? Or do you not understand St. Paul?

M

 

[Pug]

I,m 75 years old and I have a glass on wine each night just one its good for my blood and my doc told me you have it

I’m glad there is a remedy that works well for you. I never intended for anyone to think I was against such a thing, not that I am saying anyone did, and I am worried that I was too obscure, as I often am. I was alluding to some scriptures in my last post, the scriptures a few verses past the one Sam_777 gave. I agree with him that the scripture he quoted can apply to food. I agree we ought to consider our neighbor when we eat and drink.

I see the verse he quoted as in the context of food offered to idols that is served to you (the generic “you”, not you) by a host, and the nuances of how you are to handle the question of eating it or not eating it. Also, it seems to me to be about the question, not of your freedom, but of helping the host by having regard for his conscience, to help him. When I read that section, it is clear that sometimes you will eat/drink, and sometimes you will not, but you will choose to glorify God either way. I think you will receive what you do eat with thanks. Also, I deduce that you will abstain from some item also with thanks, since it is an opportunity to serve. To me it is an instance of rejoicing (joy) in all things. (that is another, more generic verse from somewhere else).

 

[Bill_Pick]

Funny, St. Paul had this to say to Timothy.

Did St. Paul not understand his own teaching on drinking wine? Or do you not understand St. Paul?

M

Here is what the Bible has to say

Matt. 26:27,29; Mark 14:23,25; Luke 22:17-18; 1 Cor. 11:25-27 - Jesus instituted the Eucharist using wine and commanded us to “do this in remembrance of me.” We know that Jesus instituted the Eucharist at the Jewish seder meal, which required the use of wine. Yet some Protestant churches forbid drinking wine. Such a prohibition is not based on the Scriptures.

Luke 7:33-34 - God the Son drank wine and was accused of being a drunk. Are those Protestant churches that forbid the drinking of wine doing the same?

John 2:1-11 - Jesus’ first miracle was turning water into wine which was drunk at the wedding at Cana. Wine is a symbol of the life of the Church, in both the Eucharist and, here, the sanctification of the sacrament of marriage. Verse 10 also indicates that the people drank enough wine at the feast to the point that they might not have recognized good wine from bad wine. Yet Jesus creates for them more wine to drink.

1 Tim. 5:23 - Paul tells Timothy to drink not just water, but a little wine for the sake of his stomach and frequent ailments. If Paul under divine inspiration encourages the drinking of wine, why do some Protestant churches prohibit it?

Gen. 14:18 - Melchizedek offers a bread and wine sacrifice, and Jesus is the Priest in the same manner. Heb. 5:6,10; 6:20; 7:15,17.

Gen. 27:25 - Isaac brought Jacob wine, and he drank, with God’s favor.

Neh. 8:10 - Nehemiah commands the faithful to drink sweet wine to celebrate the Lord and His holy day.

Psalm 104:15 - the Psalmist writes that “wine gladdens the heart of a man.” God gave us the fruit of the vine to enjoy.

Ecclesiastes 9:7 - “drink your wine with a merry heart, for God approves what you do.”

Wisdom 2:7 - “Let us take our fill of costly wine and perfumes!”

Sir. 31:25-28 - “Wine is like life if drunk in moderation.” God created wine to make us glad, so we rejoice in heart, and have gladness of soul.

Sir. 40:20 - “Wine gladdens the heart.”

Isaiah 25:6 - God will provide a feast of rich foods and choice wines.

Amos 9:14 - God declares that His people shall plant their vineyards and drink their wine.

Zech. 10:7 - God says that when He saves His people, their hearts shall be glad as with wine
SC

 

[Sam_777]

I see the verse he quoted as in the context of food offered to idols that is served to you (the generic “you”, not you) by a host, and the nuances of how you are to handle the question of eating it or not eating it. Also, it seems to me to be about the question, not of your freedom, but of helping the host by having regard for his conscience, to help him. When I read that section, it is clear that sometimes you will eat/drink, and sometimes you will not, but you will choose to glorify God either way. I think you will receive what you do eat with thanks. Also, I deduce that you will abstain from some item also with thanks, since it is an opportunity to serve. To me it is an instance of rejoicing (joy) in all things. (that is another, more generic verse from somewhere else).