Wisdom 2:12-20

[Valke2]

I also see all of Psalm 2 as predicting the Messiah, not only verse 7.

“Who are the nations aroused, and the peoples murmer vain things?”
(an alliance of nations intent on attacking or rebelling against Judea?)

“Kings of the earth take their stand, and princes conspire together against Hashem and against his annointed.”
(annointed here is clearly a used to describe David’s legitmate heir(s) – a political rather than divine implication.)

"Let us tear off their fetters, let us fling away their bonds!
He who dwells in the heavens will laugh, the Master derides them.
Then He will speak to them in His wrath, in His burning anger dismay them.
(pretty self explanatory)

"Let me tell as is due of the Lord. He said to me ‘You are my Son. I myself did beget you.’ "
(It’s clear the speaker is now God. Experts, including Robert Alter have said that despite Christological readings of this verse, it was commonplace in the ancient Near East, readily adopted by the Israelites, to imagine the king as God’s son. When the Hebrews used this term, it was always seen as more political than theological.

And I – I appointed my king

 

[Nita]

The word “prophecy” does not refer only to the predicting of future events, and/or predictions explicitly stated as such.

Prophecy includes:

Divinely inspired discourse flowing from the revelation and impulse of the Holy Spirit, the foretelling of future events, which includes inspired teaching.
miriams-well.org/Glossary/index.html

is speaking what God wants said with clarity, creativity, and power. It is also called the gift of Preaching. The primary ministry in this gift is not prediction, but in confronting people with the truth about God and man–with conviction and repentance as the result. [Dialog on Prophecy.]
www.acts17-11.com/dictionary_gifts.html

The foretelling of the future through a direct revelation from God.
www.translationdirectory.com/glossaries/glossary007_p.htm

Discourse delivered by a prophet under divine inspiration: the common Biblical sense
www.innvista.com/culture/religion/diction.htm

A vision or revelation of the future. Religious prophets are people chosen to spread a divine message.
www.paranormal-encyclopedia.com/p/

GREEK: 'propheteia," a noun that "signifies the speaking forth of the mind and counsel of God. It is the declaration of that which cannot be known by natural means. It is the forth-telling of the will of God, whether with reference to the past, the present, or the future " (VINE’S, p. 893). …
www.allforhisglory.net/ofhoc/terms.html

Nita

 

[Joe_Kelley]

and that is an example of pastoral grace, as opposed to sanctifying grace.

Good Point!

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

Daniel, in Acts 13, this passage you put in bold is called a prophecy of Christ: “I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.”

Christians believe that David was a prophet who predicted the Messiah in various passages of the Psalms. This passage is one of them. So you won’t be able to convince us based on the use of “Son” there that the use of “Son” in Wisdom was referring to a human. Because we believe that the “Son” of Psalm 2:7 was Christ.

I also see all of Psalm 2 as predicting the Messiah, not only verse 7.

The Son is Psalms 2:7 is a human who is adopted by God as King. This Psalm applies to every King in Isreal since its writing.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

So, with the catholic freeness of interpreting “prophecy” then prophecy is useless as a proof because **one can claim anything using the catholic freeness of interpretation **I see in this thread.

Thus since the method of interpretation of prophecy is useless, so is any conclusions reached by using that method are likewise useless.