With all the terrible Catholic History--why believe?

[CalCatholic]

People also forget that the Catholic Church is the largest charitable organization in the world (throughout the centuries). The Catholic Church started orphanages, hospitals, and the university system, It’s contributions to western civilization are enormous!!! But that is not taught in school anymore or reported by the media.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

It’s really unusual on the Internet to have someone post a string of accusations, have someone else post a reasoned response, then have the OP respond in a reasonable way.

Wow.

 

[Holly3278]

The Catholic Church is perfect, Her members are not. Because the Catholic Church which is the perfect Church founded by God has members who are not perfect, the actions of the members of the Church are also not going to be perfect. However, the teaching of the Church is perfect and is exactly what God wants us to know.

That said, the Catholic Church has a lot of good history as well. If it weren’t for Catholicism, science as we know it would never have come to existence and neither would most schools or hospitals.

 

[Crescentinus]

People also forget that the Catholic Church is the largest charitable organization in the world (throughout the centuries). The Catholic Church started orphanages, hospitals, and the university system, It’s contributions to western civilization are enormous!!! But that is not taught in school anymore or reported by the media.

The Occupy movements CONVENIENTLY ignore those facts about the Catholic Church.

 

[Bill_Martin]

There are bad people in every group.

A group as massive and as old as the Church is bound to have quite a few bad people doing bad things. There are no excuses for the evil that has been committed in the name of the Church or by its members. However, the evil that bad people within the Church have done is vastly inferior to the good that has been done by the rest.

 

[planehopr]

I agree that there are always bad eggs, but that the good produced by the rest of us is much greater. I personally struggle with. I struggle with absolute authority of the Catholic Chain of command. I’ve been told I can’t treat the Catholic Church as a corporation and keep fighting my way from priest to bishop all the way up to pope when I want an answer.

Someone told me the priest is like the president; doubtful any grievance could personally make it to him.

I struggle that the rules do not apply to everyone all the time. If you live in a country where the state will harm you for being married catholic, the church might allow you to wed under god but not civilly. If you and your fiancee struggle with debilitating illness and therefore cannot afford to file with the state, the catholic church will not take mercy on your cause. I urged that a priest take the issue to a bishop and beyond, and they laughed in my face. At least they say they’ll pray for us.

We want to reconcile with the church, I go for a nice message, my fiancee (the catholic) does confession with the priest that showed us compassion–he understands what problems we face and the challenge of being forgiven like people who must live under an oppressive state. He gladly gives her confession so she can receive communion each week. We want something bigger then that because we want to be right…

When I can be understood and allowed to marry under the church, I’m converting right way. My wife is catholic, I have a huge catholic family, it would be so unifying to be catholic.

 

[PazzoGrande]

I agree that there are always bad eggs, but that the good produced by the rest of us is much greater. I personally struggle with. I struggle with absolute authority of the Catholic Chain of command. I’ve been told I can’t treat the Catholic Church as a corporation and keep fighting my way from priest to bishop all the way up to pope when I want an answer.

Someone told me the priest is like the president; doubtful any grievance could personally make it to him.

I struggle that the rules do not apply to everyone all the time. If you live in a country where the state will harm you for being married catholic, the church might allow you to wed under god but not civilly. If you and your fiancee struggle with debilitating illness and therefore cannot afford to file with the state, the catholic church will not take mercy on your cause. I urged that a priest take the issue to a bishop and beyond, and they laughed in my face. At least they say they’ll pray for us.

We want to reconcile with the church, I go for a nice message, my fiancee (the catholic) does confession with the priest that showed us compassion–he understands what problems we face and the challenge of being forgiven like people who must live under an oppressive state. He gladly gives her confession so she can receive communion each week. We want something bigger then that because we want to be right…

When I can be understood and allowed to marry under the church, I’m converting right way. My wife is catholic, I have a huge catholic family, it would be so unifying to be catholic.

I’m sorry to hear about what your government is doing. Which oppressive state is this with these peculiar rules?

Is it an option for you two to get married in another country? You can set it up with your parish priest to start taking marriage classes and he could write to a parish in another country vouching for you to them so you could marry there. If you’re legally married in another country, you’d presumably be legally married in your home country, and maybe you don’t need to report it to your government.

Might be a good idea if you talk with your Judicial Vicar, he’s the guy who’d be your diocese’s official in charge of canon law and they deal a lot with marriages. Our Judicial Vicar here is a very nice priest, I hope yours will be too. He won’t make an exception to the rules for you (he can’t do that) but he could at least explain the Church’s stance on it and maybe give you some advice, since this is his field and all.

 

[mab23]

Spanish Inquisition–torture, corruption, having to pay for forgiveness of sins, political manipulation.

Today-Pedophiles, Women do not have equal respect or representation. Priests are treated well, Nuns have to work more. Our Father is not equal to Our Mother.

Wouldn’t we eliminate a huge percentage of deviance from the Catholic church if we treated men and women as equals and let them lead. My grandfather was courted by the church and was going to be a priest. He fell in love with my grandmother. They raised 6 beautiful Catholic children. My grandpa was very deep in his faith–he would have been perfect to lead the church…yet by not allowing that you have men who like to fondle little boys leading the church instead of men who truly love and respect women and children.

Why do you follow the church despite ugly traditions and principles and history. Why do you not let healthy hetero sexual men who love and cherish and respect women and children run the church? How do you forget the spanish inquisition?

another person who has some loose facts and dislikes the Catholic church, i bet in person you couldn’t tell me much about the Spanish inquisition besides what you wrote

and your Grandfather was called to lead a family - married men can become Deacons and still help and lead the church!

Why do you follow the church despite ugly traditions and principles and history. Why do you not let healthy hetero sexual men who love and cherish and respect women and children run the church?

ugly traditions… elaborate, what principles in the Catholic faith are ugly…

so non of the people running the church are healthy heterosexual men who love and cherish and respect women - quite a bold statement

you sir have a distorted opinion of the Catholic church

what about all the GOOD the catholic church has done

** How do you forget the spanish inquisition?**

who forgot the Spanish Inquisition

do you know all the facts -

that the Spanish kings were behind the inquisition and the pope did not support what was going on -

there will always be some bad apples in an apple tree - its just something we have to live with , and as for the priest pedophiles - the percentage of the priests that are pedophiles is no different from pedophiles in other authority positions such as teachers and coaches

 

[Michael_Francis]

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