No, it is not. There is, and always will be, dissent. That is division away from the Church, not within it. This issue is a matter of faith and morals. The Church cannot change the definition of marriage anymore than she can change God.
Yep. I saw an article up at Spirit.Daily.com we are Christians in exile now.
Well, without the lions.
Smoke and mirrors.
Remember when St. Paul was asked about homosexuality and he refused to answer, but instead said “Who am I to judge”?. I don’t remember that scripture. It must be a textual variant… :coffeeread:
Papal replies to the evolution thing boil down to “Its not incompatible with the Genesis narrative, but you aren’t required by the Church to believe it either.”
I just read the 4th Lateran Council that you refer to and believe it is a document that reflects the mindset and culture of its time, although it is doctrinally the same Catholicism as I understand it today.
Ah. I see the fallacy of taking a quote out of context, and the assumption that if it is not in Scripture, it didn’t happen.
In the name of God, ex communicating and basically taking away any chance for someone to have a life simply because they aren’t Catholic is no longer the Catholic way.
It was problems like the fourth Lateran council that prove the CC needed a reform. Recently the CC apologized for its persecution of the Waldensians, but it doesn’t change what the Pope taught about fighting Waldo, Hus, Wycliffe, whoever.
It was actually the 3rd Lateran council that condemned Peter Waldo, who I believe was the forerunner to the reformation.
He was being asked to judge the soul of a celibate priest who was known to suffer from SSA, That is a far cry from saying that homosexuality (the behaviour) is okay.
Disgusting.
This seems to me too, to be the case—that the CC was and is more influenced by the times its leaders live in than some Catholic apologists care to admit. I wonder if it’s reasonable to say that we live in a post-Christian, but still residually Christian-influenced, time now, and so I’ll be curious to see how the CC handles challenges like this from here on out.
One thing that I’ve been seeing, it appears to me, in my readings on history for awhile now, is that heights of respect for the dignity of persons (and creation—animals and the earth, too) have been reached at points in the past (thousands of years ago) by some people, and then those insights are forgotten and strong-armed into obscurity by heavy-handed but well-meaning brutality in leadership. Then someone comes along and remembers them and they’re rediscovered as if they’re new, and the ethical climate changes.
Each generation will approach things differently. And I mean this as the majority of members both as leaders and laity.
Someone once described the natural and supernatural worlds as the sun and the stars. Our sun is actually one of the smaller stars in the universe, and yet when it is around, it distracts us and causes us to forget about the rest of the stars.
There are several historical reasons for the odd place all too many Catholics (many of whom do not even follow their faith) do what they do politically, bit it has less and less ti do with Catholicism.
If the students have been attending catechism classes, why would they react in such a way? Unless they are non-catholics (not sure whether the school can exclude them) or they haven’t been catechized at all. I took catechism classes at about 8 or 9 of age and when confirmation came, we know what the Eucharist is without a doubt.
I think the sheep and the goats are clustering around their respective corners. I’d rather the wolves are clearly visible rather than camouflaged and hiding among the sheep and carrying out raiding parties internally below the radar screen.
She has no authority to deviate. That is why she is so old fashion. She is anchored to an ancient historical rock so huge that she defers to its history for its doctrines. Leadership can change only its look and feel but not its substance. She has got blue blood.
I am not surprised. When I was young(er), I probably have the same sort of liberal thinking. especially when we started college and discover new freedoms. Trends and fads are important, to be cool, politically correct among your peers and so on. I can’t find who the source is but it goes something like this: