Without using Scripture, what is necessary for salvation in your own words?

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What is necessay for salvation can be summed up in a single word - baptism. Why else are we baptised so soon after birth?

Some of the comments here seem to be advocating a more credobaptist stance.:hmmm:
 
Spot the Catholic in the non-Catholic religions forum! :banghead:
 
Mannyfit75 said:
Without quoting the Bible, Writings of the ECF, or Magisterium of the Church, what is necessary for salvation of man? Use your own words, please. 😃 👍
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Without using math prove that 2 + 2 =4. Use your own words please.
 
estesbob said:
Without using math prove that 2 + 2 =4. Use your own words please.
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If I have counted two apples and I have counted two more apples then I can determine that I have four apples simply by virtue of my ability to count them…one apple…two apples…three apples…four apples…with no mathematics being required. 🙂

I could be wrong, but I didn’t think that counting things necessarilly constituted a mathematical action. I could be wrong though. :hmmm:
 
estesbob said:
Without using math prove that 2 + 2 =4. Use your own words please.
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I think the point is you can’t prove it without using math because the definition of Math is symbols used to measure amounts and come to an EQUAL and end up with an equation.

The written scripture is the equation of the living Word.
As you would write down your evidence of things seen and heard but blessed is the man that has not seen but believed as Peter was our first Pope and he even knew before Jesus spole the word because the Holy Spirit revealed it to him.

This is cool what would your equation be? dessert
 
Mr.Ex_Nihilo said:
If I have counted two apples and I have counted two more apples then I can determine that I have four apples simply by virtue of my ability to count them…one apple…two apples…three apples…four apples…with no mathematics being required. 🙂

I could be wrong, but I didn’t think that counting things necessarilly constituted a mathematical action. I could be wrong though. :hmmm:
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Why do you call it four apples? Why not call it 6 apples? You need mathematoics to determine what to call the result of adding apples to apples. The proint is that i cant discuss mathematic without knowing the language of mathematcis. Sane goes for descibing what is necessary for salvattion. How could one possible know without Scripture and the Church???
 
estesbob said:
Without using math prove that 2 + 2 =4. Use your own words please.
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Catholicism. No really, there is only one way to the Father and that’s complete faith in what Jesus has done for us on the cross and the power of His resurrection… not religion.
 
The Faith I’m speaking of encompasses many things… like belief in the finished work of Jesus on the cross, a healthy fear of God, humility, obedience to the Word, becoming a more loving person, turning away from sin, acknowledging God in everything you do, having an attitude of gratitude, being thankful to God for everything you receive, being a blessing to someone, giving God first place in your heart, sharing the saving power of Jesus Christ with anyone willing to listen, giving all glory and honor to God and God alone, having peace in any storm and I’m not talking about just the weather, having joy knowing that you’re going to heaven.
 
JamesN said:
What is necessay for salvation can be summed up in a single word - baptism. Why else are we baptised so soon after birth?

Some of the comments here seem to be advocating a more credobaptist stance.:hmmm:
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Baptism as a sole method of salvation does not go along with how I understand the RCC position, since it is a one-shot cleansing of past sin. Other methods of cleansing later sins must then kick in, such as Penance and Holy Communion.

Maybe a baptism delayed until near death would be the most effective method for Catholics instead of so soon after birth.

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I believe that Christ wanted us to do the will of the father to be saved. To do the will of the Father we have to basically do what Jesus instructed.
 
Mannyfit75 said:
Without quoting the Bible, Writings of the ECF, or Magisterium of the Church, what is necessary for salvation of man? Use your own words, please. 😃 👍
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Here it goes:
In order for man to saved, he must believe in Christ and all that he taught and apply that to his life as a Christian (do his best, anyways). Faith (believing), along with accepting the fact that he died for our sins that we might enter Heaven, is necessary for salvation of man. 👍
 
Without quoting the Bible, Writings of the ECF, or Magisterium of the Church, what is necessary for salvation of man? Use your own words, please.
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Nothing with sin can stand before Almighty God. Jesus Christ died for our sins so that we may live again.

Therefore, it is necessary for my earthly mortal body to die, decay and return to its former state never to be resurrected. It is after all sinful. It cannot be resurrected as it would become what it was ‘disobedient sinful flesh’.

But what we are to be in the future? I think that St Paul gives us a clue. I think that we will have resurrected bodies, not re-moulded and resusitated ones. Our new life is in Christ. It will not be revealed until the Last Day, which actually I do not believe will be the last day in the life of this planet but the last day in the life of the universe, a day perhaps zillions of light years into the future. 😛
 
estesbob said:
Why do you call it four apples? Why not call it 6 apples? You need mathematoics to determine what to call the result of adding apples to apples. The proint is that i cant discuss mathematic without knowing the language of mathematcis. Sane goes for descibing what is necessary for salvattion. How could one possible know without Scripture and the Church???
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Like I said, I didn’t really picture counting as a form of mathemtics, I don’t think children counting their toes are performing mathematics for example. But, again, I could be wrong. I suppose at the most basic level counting is simply adding one + one + one and so on until a certain number has been reached. So I think you have a good point.

I guess all that I am saying is that you don’t have to necessarilly understand the deeper things about God to believe in him. If someone is truly moving in the Spirit of God’s love, then they are believing in God by their actions even if they don’t actually realize that they are believing in him nor can explain in detail the dynamics of their faith.

In fact, I’m not even sure if people necessarilly need to know they are worshipong God in order to worship him. In short, I think actions speak louder than words. Seems that way to me anyway. 🙂
"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
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For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
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"Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
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"The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’
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