Woman and the papal apartments

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:confused: Can ANYBODY tell me (reliably please) if women are allowed into the Papal apartments?

I have tried to find an address to e-mail the Vatican about this but there does not appear to be one on the official Vatican website.

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Louise
 
of course, it has been widely reported that our current pope has a group of 5 nuns who attend to his household needs, one as a personal physician, one as housekeeper, one personal secretary, they all have advanced degrees, and are very devoted, holy women. There have always been women doing what women always do, preparing meals, cleaning, doing laundry, seeing to the comfort and smooth running of the household, which is so essential to someone who has such a demanding job. We have their example in the gospels of Martha and Mary, and the women who travelled with Jesus and the apostles, taking care of their day to day needs for food, clothing the basic necessities of life.

It is the great benefit of the charism of celibacy, the embrasure of the virtue of chastity in all aspects of life, that it permits close relationships between men and women in the service of God and the Church so beautifully described in the gospels. When you take the possibility of allowing the development of sexual relationships out of the equation, you remove the barriers to spiritual intimacy.
 
Puzzleannie,

:rolleyes: I should have made it clear that I wasn’t talking about Nuns! I am well aware of the jobs the nuns at the Vatican do.

So, can anyone tell me if women are allowed in the Papal apartments (apart from Nuns - that is).
 
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Puzzleannie,

:rolleyes: I should have made it clear that I wasn’t talking about Nuns! I am well aware of the jobs the nuns at the Vatican do.

So, can anyone tell me if women are allowed in the Papal apartments (apart from Nuns - that is).
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Pope John Paul II received people for the morning mass in his private chapel.
 
UKLOUISE:
Puzzleannie,

:rolleyes: I should have made it clear that I wasn’t talking about Nuns! I am well aware of the jobs the nuns at the Vatican do.

So, can anyone tell me if women are allowed in the Papal apartments (apart from Nuns - that is).
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My cousin and her husband were invited to the morning mass by Pope John Paul II in his private chapel.
 
certain private audiences have taken place in the papal apartments, including visiting dignitaries who may be women, or wives of same. Are you asking as a potential tourist or pilgrim to Rome? I don’t believe the papal apartments are included on Vatican tours, it that is what you are asking.
 
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i dont see any reason why not.
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:eek: I meant in the Pope’s ‘private’ quarters (i.e his seven rooms in the Vatican) including his bedroom and bathroom!

:rolleyes: Other than the Nuns of course…
 
Im not sure what your getting at, but I was reading the documents of the Council of Nicaea and it says this on law #3
  1. This great synod absolutely forbids a bishop, presbyter, deacon or any of the clergy to keep a woman who has been brought in to live with him, with the exception of course of his mother or sister or aunt, or of any person who is above suspicion.
    So again Im not sure what your getting at, but as some have already pointed out there are acceptable cases.
 
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puzzleannie:
of course, it has been widely reported that our current pope has a group of 5 nuns who attend to his household needs, one as a personal physician, one as housekeeper, one personal secretary, they all have advanced degrees, and are very devoted, holy women. There have always been women doing what women always do, preparing meals, cleaning, doing laundry, seeing to the comfort and smooth running of the household, which is so essential to someone who has such a demanding job. We have their example in the gospels of Martha and Mary, and the women who travelled with Jesus and the apostles, taking care of their day to day needs for food, clothing the basic necessities of life.

It is the great benefit of the charism of celibacy, the embrasure of the virtue of chastity in all aspects of life, that it permits close relationships between men and women in the service of God and the Church so beautifully described in the gospels. When you take the possibility of allowing the development of sexual relationships out of the equation, you remove the barriers to spiritual intimacy.
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I wonder if they tell him to pick up his socks, don’t put his feet on the table, don’t drink out of the milk bottle or put the lid down??:hmmm:

That could be tough, gettin’ it from 5 different directions.
 
Catholic Dude:
Im not sure what your getting at, but I was reading the documents of the Council of Nicaea and it says this on law #3
  1. This great synod absolutely forbids a bishop, presbyter, deacon or any of the clergy to keep a woman who has been brought in to live with him, with the exception of course of his mother or sister or aunt, or of any person who is above suspicion.
    So again Im not sure what your getting at, but as some have already pointed out there are acceptable cases.
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Catholic Dude,

Thanks for supplying this very informative document which does help to answer my question in part.

It still does not answer my specific question regarding arrangements at the Vatican, but apparently when John Paul II was Pope, women WERE NOT allowed into the ‘actual’ Papal apartments to prevent any scandal from occurring.

I am not sure that all the women who puzzleannie listed as ‘nuns’ in her post are ACTUALLY nuns and would be interested to know where they got their information from as regarding their various jobs - I think I could take issue with some of the roles she has assigned to them.

Nuns are serving the Pope at the Vatican as they always have done, but are the ‘other’ women allowed into his ‘private’ apartment also? And by this, I mean his bedroom, bathroom etc… :confused:
 
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