Women bishops using "apostolic succession" to validate their vocations?

[ChadS]

Didn’t they get their supposed Apostolic Succession from an Old Catholic Bishop?

That I don’t know. I thought some of their press releases alluded to the fact that it was bishop in good standing with Rome. I just assumed it was a Latin rite bishop.

ChadS

 

[ChadS]

Of course they never tell. And whether it was done by a “real bishop” or not doesn’t make any difference: those priestesses (much less the bishopesses) could never have been validly ordained in the first place. Who put on the show is of no consequence. My left foot has more Apostolic Succession than those charlatans will ever have.

You are 100% correct. I never thought it really mattered who did consecrations because at the end of ceremony nobody was a bishop and all they’d succeeded in doing was excommunicating themselves.

ChadS

 

[ConstantineTG]

That I don’t know. I thought some of their press releases alluded to the fact that it was bishop in good standing with Rome. I just assumed it was a Latin rite bishop.

ChadS

I could be mixing up these groups in my head, but I was reading something in the past that points how they got their Apostolic Succession, and it was from an Old Catholic Bishop. They even quoted something from the Vatican that affirms that the Old Catholics have valid succession. So perhaps this is what they mean by “good standing with Rome,” the fact that Rome recognizes the validity of the Apostolic Succession of the Old Catholics.

 

[Layman]

Ah, you may have hit on something there. Consecrations from wandering Bishops are pretty easy to get, I think.

I shudder at the thought of the long-term spiritual consequences to participants, however.

 

[Angelic_Rose]

With discussing the topic of copyrighting the Catholic brand for the sake of the faith. I wish we could do that! But at the same time, I think there are too many lukewarm Catholics who think they can still use the label “Catholic” and believe whatever they want to, regardless of what the actual Catholic Church (and the Pope, bishops, and priests) teaches. We have seen what these differing ideas have done to the Protestants— how many churches are they up to?

For the Catholic faithful, we have our job cut out for ourselves: we need to open our mouths and make sure that when there is a wrong opinion/teaching out there that we try to show what the Truth is. I also think we need the Holy Spirit to soften the hearts of these people and ask that He guides them knowing the real Truth with Catholic teachings. These people might not want to hear it from us, but hopefully they might eventually listen to God (heaven forbid!). As a teacher in a Catholic school, I’m terrified to think that these little ones will grow up reading this garbage and think its okay— or worse, turn their backs on the Church because they think the Church’s teaching is wrong. (It’s shocking how little the students at my school know about their faith, even though they take religion class and the teachers are great— I wonder how much teaching their parents are doing at home and at Mass)

 

[3DOCTORS]

With discussing the topic of copyrighting the Catholic brand for the sake of the faith. I wish we could do that! But at the same time, I think there are too many lukewarm Catholics who think they can still use the label “Catholic” and believe whatever they want to, regardless of what the actual Catholic Church (and the Pope, bishops, and priests) teaches. We have seen what these differing ideas have done to the Protestants— how many churches are they up to?

For the Catholic faithful, we have our job cut out for ourselves: we need to open our mouths and make sure that when there is a wrong opinion/teaching out there that we try to show what the Truth is. I also think we need the Holy Spirit to soften the hearts of these people and ask that He guides them knowing the real Truth with Catholic teachings.

 

[Erich]

RCWP:

The principal consecrating Roman Catholic male bishop who ordained our first women bishops is a bishop with a line of unbroken apostolic succession within the Roman Catholic Church in full communion with the Pope.

Actually, this should read more like: “The principal consecrating Roman Catholic male bishop who ordained our first women bishops *was *a bishop with a line of unbroken apostolic succession within the Roman Catholic Church, in full communion with the Pope until the moment he knowingly and willingly excommunicated himself by attempting to confer the Sacrament of Holy Orders upon our first women bishops.”

 

[ConstantineTG]

Ah, you may have hit on something there. Consecrations from wandering Bishops are pretty easy to get, I think.

I shudder at the thought of the long-term spiritual consequences to participants, however.

Many Old Catholic Bishops have been handing out ordinations like promotional items at the grocery store. There isn’t really much we can do about it. Of course ordaining women makes for invalid ordinations. But how many people actually know that for a fact?

 

[malphono]

Actually, this should read more like: “The principal consecrating Roman Catholic male bishop who ordained our first women bishops *was *a bishop with a line of unbroken apostolic succession within the Roman Catholic Church, in full communion with the Pope until the moment he knowingly and willingly excommunicated himself by attempting to confer the Sacrament of Holy Orders upon our first women bishops.”

Hey … not bad!

 

[Layman]

One more dumb thing:

A female priest is a priestess. So call yourself what you are. Womanpriest sounds moronic. It’s another attempt to siphon off the respect due to the male Priesthood.

I read the Jewish forefathers had experience of neighbouring religions which had priestesses and didn’t like what they saw.

You have them now in ‘Wicca’ but frankly, get into that and you’re entering the Twilight Zone.

Curious thought: What other major religion has priestesses?

 

[Angelic_Rose]

Actually, this should read more like: “The principal consecrating Roman Catholic male bishop who ordained our first women bishops *was *a bishop with a line of unbroken apostolic succession within the Roman Catholic Church, in full communion with the Pope until the moment he knowingly and willingly excommunicated himself by attempting to confer the Sacrament of Holy Orders upon our first women bishops.”

You should suggest that this correction be made in the article. Though I doubt anybody over there would be willing to listen at this point.