Women seek access to traditionally male-only Mormon gathering

[twopekinguys]

And their leaders repeated said that Hill Cumorah, NY was the site of the great battle that killed a million people. Time to have integrity and excavate the land that they own or come clean and tell the Mormon people that the BoM is fiction.

I’ve said it before, it’s just time until one or more prophets renounce the LDS Church. I get the feeling more and more this could happen, especially as they are now admitting mistakes however unidentifiable they are. One can get a sense that the Holy Spirit is working with Mormons, leading them with faith and reason… to the Truth through the internet.

PnP

Did they admit to the little accounting error in Brazil? Over reporting membership by 1 million!!

Somehow, miraculously, they reached the 15 mil mark as announced this weekend.

Even after a comment by a GA that they are bleeding members. Seriously?

I’m dizzy.

 

[iepuras]

I’ve said it before, it’s just time until one or more prophets renounce the LDS Church. I get the feeling more and more this could happen, especially as they are now admitting mistakes however unidentifiable they are.

I think it is quietly starting to happen. It seems like every year there are more and more emeritus general authorities. Are they really retiring or are they being released because of unbelief but remaining quiet because of financial reasons? Think Marlin K. Jensen. Their worst nightmare is that there could be a General Authority that has enough integrity to leave and speak out. That is why the highest leaders are from longtime, elite Mormon families who have a lot of financial assets tied to the church. If anyone who left were to open their mouths, they would lose their family and money.

 

[jadamo]

It is starting, Hans Mattsson, an area authority member (he holds…well held…the highest position in Sweden) has begun questioning mormonism now and I believe will cause a huge divide in the church, perhaps that was why they even mentioned historical mistakes in the gc. His interview with the New York Times ran in July this past year, they won’t be able to ignore him as easily as a “lay” member who asks questions.

mormonstories.org/hans-mattsson/

 

[LivingWaters7]

Think LDS leadership will ever be courageous enough to delineate exactly what those mistakes were and who said what, etc etc?

Do they have that kind of spine? Do they have that kind of integrity? Credibility?

For all of their souls’ sake, I pray so.

Yes I think that’s the issue. He said that they have made mistakes in the past. What exactly were those mistakes? Were they doctrinal mistakes? Was the priesthood restriction of blacks a mistake?

I’m not sure how I’d feel if they came out and said that the priesthood restriction was a mistake. That would just be further proof that their prophets (15 of them) are not really prophets, especially when they previously said it was the result of a “direct commandment of the Lord”.

Interestingly, my lifespan development professor today brought up Mormons! We were talking about genetics and different types of studies that developmental researchers use, such as twin studies, adoption studies, etc. She said that there are a number of groups that researchers have focused on because they keep meticulous records, among other reasons.

First she mentioned the Amish, then she said Mormons. She talked briefly about how they keep meticulous genealogical records, are very interested in family records, the importance of family and eternal relationships, etc. She also mentioned that, at least in Utah, for a long time LDS were somewhat genetically similar to each other (perhaps because they married within the church), and that for a long time it was essentially a “white church”. She then brought up blacks and LDS. She incorrectly stated that blacks were not allowed into the church until 1975. I didn’t correct her, mostly because I just felt weird claiming to have been LDS, as an African American male, and then going on to say that we were not allowed to be ordained to the priesthood until 1978, nor allowed entry to the temples until then (especially since the rest of the class already seemed horrified).

A few people were then interested in Mormons, mostly because they were confusing them with Amish and Mennonites. The professor briefly brought up plural marriage (someone was confusing the fundamentalists with the main church), and that apparently Utah was being denied statehood, and a revelation was subsequently received ending plural marriage, and they became a state. Some people giggled at that.

Definitely an interesting class this morning!

 

[TheIrishman]

Think LDS leadership will ever be courageous enough to delineate exactly what those mistakes were and who said what, etc etc?

Do they have that kind of spine? Do they have that kind of integrity? Credibility?

For all of their souls’ sake, I pray so.

(I attend a LDS School) The problem is, everyone loved the fact that a member of the first presidency said that the church has made mistakes and that it proves (somehow) that the church is true and shows humility.

I think if the prophet or a member of the first presidency said something like “blacks being restricted was a mistake” that more people would be happy about it and would solidify their testimonies rather than shake it. It’s gotten to the point that whatever the prophet says goes and we are always taught to question it and pray about it (but lets be honest, we are supposed to pray and receive the answer that what the prophet is saying is true) And thats a problem.

There’s a lot of problems besides mistakes made by the LDS church that has me doubting. And of course all my friends quote President Uchtdorf’s talk “doubt your doubts before you doubt your faith”…headache.