Women who dress inappropriately

[lobster]

In a paralell thread on Hooters, in which the opinions are that supporting the chain is wrong because it promotes the objectification of women. Is it not even more seriously immoral for the fact that they incite women to commit capital mortal sin of vanity? Are not the waitresses commiting gravely disordered acts against chastity? In fact (not just with Hooters) it would seem that women who dress with intent to seduce or incite lust are in much graver danger of losing their souls than those who become seduced by their provocation? Why the unbalanced weight of ‘causes objectification’ versus the very real ‘causes women to sin mortally’?

 

[Eucharisted]

Not all sin is the same, and circumstances can diminish the graveness of a mortal sin. Regardless, sin is still sin, an offense against God, who is All-Good and deserving of all our love. Pray for all women who dress inappropriately and who objectify their bodies.

 

[IOPdevotee]

…and pray for the society that has come to not only accept this behavior, but promote it.

 

[Cracker_Mom]

In a paralell thread on Hooters, in which the opinions are that supporting the chain is wrong because it promotes the objectification of women. Is it not even more seriously immoral for the fact that they incite women to commit capital mortal sin of vanity? Are not the waitresses commiting gravely disordered acts against chastity? In fact (not just with Hooters) it would seem that women who dress with intent to seduce or incite lust are in much graver danger of losing their souls than those who become seduced by their provocation? Why the unbalanced weight of ‘causes objectification’ versus the very real ‘causes women to sin mortally’?

Here we go again.
My recommendation is blinders.

 

[larry85704]

You know, I have no problem with it being bad that women, or men, go around naked. That is just in poor taste, and a health hazard in Arizona, skin cancer you know.

But, God didn’t have to make a woman’s body any different from a man’s. At least not so different. I guess my point is that He did it on purpose. Why? Well, the thought that comes to my mind is He wanted men and women to be attracted to one another. He was successful.

I guess, if I put on my happily married man hat, I don’t get excited about anybody but my wife. If a woman wants to show me her body, it is her problem, not mine. I guess I see the way a single, good christian man, or woman, dresses as a way to attract the opposite sex. To completely hide the fact that a woman is a woman, or a man is a man, is silly.

What I think is this. If you all had a spouse and your have a good marriage seeing other people running around in any sort of dress, up to and including being naked, simply is no big deal. If you go to hooters, or just about any eating or drinking establishment and are offended by the people’s dress, I wonder why?

 

[Paul1961]

“Is it not even more seriously immoral for the fact that they incite women to commit capital mortal sin of vanity?”

Who Hooters?

The makeup industry?

The fashion industry

Every parent who says, “isn’t she so cute?”

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[Cracker_Mom]

You know, I have no problem with it being bad that women, or men, go around naked. That is just in poor taste, and a health hazard in Arizona, skin cancer you know.

But, God didn’t have to make a woman’s body any different from a man’s. At least not so different. I guess my point is that He did it on purpose. Why? Well, the thought that comes to my mind is He wanted men and women to be attracted to one another. He was successful.

I guess, if I put on my happily married man hat, I don’t get excited about anybody but my wife. If a woman wants to show me her body, it is her problem, not mine. I guess I see the way a single, good christian man, or woman, dresses as a way to attract the opposite sex. To completely hide the fact that a woman is a woman, or a man is a man, is silly.

What I think is this. If you all had a spouse and your have a good marriage seeing other people running around in any sort of dress, up to and including being naked, simply is no big deal. If you go to hooters, or just about any eating or drinking establishment and are offended by the people’s dress, I wonder why?

Well, again, modesty is still a virtue & one that society could benefit from. However,sometimes folks who rail the most against scantily clan women have their own personal issues & temptations with that subject.You know the old saying about “protesting too much”…It begins to get a bit creepy & one sided.
I think we need a separate thread about scantily dressed men tempting women to sin…

 

[lostandconfused]

I dont know if its necessarily a topic of “forcing women to sin” though, I mean, sin is everywhere but its our choice to actually do it, you know?

As far as modest dress goes, I think most women who might dress a little more provocatively arent necessarily thinking “seduce”, I think many just think thats whats in style. I dont think they realize it. I dont think bodies or nakedness is bad or sinful, I think it really comes down to how you carry yourself and how you act and what your intentions are.

If youre half naked and acting like a total harlot, then yeah, youre probably not helping yourself.

I dont know, I have gotten much more modest with my dress since living in another country and now I’m a lot more comfortable this way than with v-neck tops and whatnot. I think people just need to realize there is a lot to be said for the whole “keeping the mystery alive by keeping everything hidden” ideal.

 

[lobster]

“Is it not even more seriously immoral for the fact that they incite women to commit capital mortal sin of vanity?”

Who Hooters?

Possibly, if they encourage women to mortally sin by dressing for the intention of inciting lust.

 

[lobster]

I dont know if its necessarily a topic of “forcing women to sin” though, I mean, sin is everywhere but its our choice to actually do it, you know?

As far as modest dress goes, I think most women who might dress a little more provocatively arent necessarily thinking “seduce”, I think many just think thats whats in style.

You may be right for women going about in everyday life are not necessarily thinking of seducing men. But I was referring to an establishment which capitalizes on the draw of having scantily dressed women to bring in customers. For women to take part would seem by definition, a gravely sinful action.

 

[lobster]

I dont know if its necessarily a topic of “forcing women to sin” though, I mean, sin is everywhere but its our choice to actually do it, you know?

It would seem so. In my opinion, women who choose to work at such establishments where the dress code is designed specifically to appeal to a persons ‘mating instincts’ so to speak, would indeed be choosing whether to sin or not. Choosing to comply with the dress code is to choose to sin. If she were to willfully choose to perform an action of grave circumstance such as purposfully dressing provacatively, it would be of a mortal nature.

As far as modest dress goes, I think most women who might dress a little more provocatively arent necessarily thinking “seduce”, I think many just think thats whats in style.

Granted one doesn’t commit a mortal sin by accident, for instance if they were so foolish as to not believe that dressing provacatively doesn’t provide an occasion of sin to others, they would have some slack. But someone who understands and has no disregard, and likewise someone who does so purposefully, would certainly be commiting a mortal sin, from my understanding.

I dont think they realize it. I dont think bodies or nakedness is bad or sinful, I think it really comes down to how you carry yourself and how you act and what your intentions are.

With that, going back to the opening post, wouldn’t it seem to make sense that women who choose to make their living by dressing provacatively at an establishment which specifically relies on an appeal to lust are partaking in a matter of grave consequences?