Would the Real Father Brown Please Stand Up?

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My impression this is not he Knight of the Holy Catholic Church. But a failed ploy/plot of the Father (Jesuit Priest) who strode along Chesterton’s series of short stories. Luckily I’ve read the Father Brown stories, the ones produced by Acorn Media with Kenneth Moore (or More, forget correctly spelling), and the one with Sir Alec Guiness playing as Father Brown in the Great Detective.

As the article writer concludes, the Unitarian reverend Brown masquerades under the title/stories written by Chesterton.

I don’t like the personality of this series made by the BBC. And I don’t like Harry Potter’s uncle playing a priest.

Although there are many episodes in this production I do not like/see failed depiction of Chesterton’s character, there is one I want to point out upon and reflect.

There’s murder that the detectives need to uncover, and have had a hard time finding the real culprit. Through the episode there’s a club for cross dressers and the like. It’s one of those places where people were not accepted by society, went. Well one guy (dressed as a woman, and appearing like one) called himself Jacky. And when the Unitarian Reverend Brown visited (I will use and call him this name, or it would lay a fictional character’s identity to the fictitious identity of the folly of this man in BBC production.) When the Rev. Brown visited, the cross-dressed man felt terrible with the priest being there. And that the priest made a man like that unwelcomed in society. As the whole conversation took place on the Rev. Brown’s inquiries of a murder, Rev. Brown called the cross dressed by the feminine he liked to be called. As if this were a sense of justice that the Rev. Brown would not stand for in marginalizing people caught up in calling themselves what names they wanted, and what genders they wanted to appear. It’s as if though this Rev. Brown wanted to defend and lay down defiance to a world of make believe which children set up. And yet to inherit its’ mark on reality.

Father Brown, from what I believe, would focus on the facts of the case. Perhaps he would’ve called the man by the feminine name. Not realizing that was a man cross dressed as a woman. But believed that was a woman. However, after leaving, the real Father Brown would had likely realized the peculiarity in/of the facts in play, made by some latent observations of the person he was speaking to. And the Church lady who went with him to that club, would’ve asked Father did he not know that was a man dressed up as a woman? I believe then, in Chesterton’s mind (essentially the actual priest he based his character on) would’ve asked how it is odd that opposites attract, but to consolidate it in one. The man desires to be a woman. But does he not desire the sweetness and affections of one? Thus does he not attract to be like the other, because he is attracted to the other? This would’ve ensued the Innocence/Wisdom of Father Brown. And not the Unitarian dressed in clerical robe/attire. Would the real Father Brown please stand up? And so far, that has not been observed by the BBC.
 
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I used to enjoy “The Saint” books by Leslie Charteris, and the radio programs-- especially the ones with Vincent Price. (What a great voice!) I was really excited when the Val Kilmer “Saint” movie came out in 1997. Yay! There was a movie based on books that I knew and loved!

…And then I actually went to the movies and watched it. And I was not happy. Rather than enjoying it for the action movie that it was, I kept on relating it to Leslie Charteris, or Vincent Price, or Tom Conway, or George Sanders, or whatever… and it kept having absolutely zero to do with it. I was like, “Why are you even connecting it to ‘The Saint’ franchise? This thing is wrong, this thing is wrong, this thing is wrong, and this thing is wrong.” It would have been a fun, mindless thing with Russian gangsters and cold fusion and disguises and espionage and action and whatever. But if I bumped into it while flipping through channels, the only thing that would give me a clue that it was a Saint movie was the fact that one of the characters was named Simon Templar, and that’s about it.

So, while I haven’t seen the BBC’s “Father Brown” series, but I suspect that the same thing is happening here. The creators try to tie it to the original “Father Brown”, but by divorcing it from Chesterton’s wit and philosophy, or Father Brown’s Catholicism (yeah, I do remember the unsatisfying story with the boxer by the seaside…), and everything else that makes Father Brown recognizable as Father Brown… it’s going to be unsatisfying. Make up your own series about a Unitarian minister, and I’m sure it would be a fine mystery series. But to try and piggyback on the Father Brown franchise merely for the sake of the name recognition… very unsatisfying.
 
I would suggest everyone should see it first before making judgements about it. I happen to like the show a lot. I think the actor does a great job portraying Father Brown and it doesn’t matter to me in the slightest that he also portrayed Ron Weasley’s father (not Harry Potter’s uncle!). He was also excellent in that role.

The show writers portray Father Brown as very sensitive to people. He guides them to the truth if they want to know the truth, but also neither does he shove the Church down their throats. He meets them where they are in life and is quick to show love and mercy. With all of the other media out there portraying Catholics as legalistic rule-followers or perverts hiding behind the Church, I think the show is a refreshing change of pace that has a great message hiding in all the fun little murder mysteries.

The OP was talking about an episode in the lastest season. I personally don’t think that a man smart enough to solve murder mysteries would be duped by a man in woman’s clothes, just as it portrays the event in the show. However, Father Brown acts graciously and doesn’t embarrass the man. Let’s remember that this show takes place many decades ago…it is not set in 2018. For a priest of that time, Father Brown is portrayed as very humble and gracious. What a great lesson for all of us!

I would think people would be happy to support the BBC in making quality, wholesome shows instead of the common trash we see on TV so often. But, that’s just my opinion.
 
I’ve watched the first two seasons, and while I mostly enjoy it, more than once the Fr. Brown character has said or done something a faithful Catholic priest just wouldn’t say or do. I find it really jarring, and it knocks me out of the story.
 
I believe this exact article has already been discussed. My opinion on the matter is the same now as it was then. The new Father Brown isn’t exactly Chesterton’s character. He does say some things I’d disagree with. But he does place an emphasis on saving souls over anything else.

The BBC Father Brown is insistent on giving last rights to all the deceased. He is insistent that sinners repent from their sins. He is more worried about the soul than anything temporal. Overall it is a decent representation of a priest. It is the best you are going to get from modern television.
 
I would suggest everyone should see it first before making judgements about it. I happen to like the show a lot. I think the actor does a great job portraying Father Brown and it doesn’t matter to me in the slightest that he also portrayed Ron Weasley’s father (not Harry Potter’s uncle!). He was also excellent in that role.
I actually saw episodes of the Brown by the BBC. And, I’ve read the actual short stories written by Chesterton, watched the portrayed Father Brown by Kenneth More in the Acorn Media production, and of course Alec Guinness portraying Father Brown in the Great Detective. Have you read any of the original short stories? Perhaps watched/seen the production by Acorn Media? And maybe spied Alec Guinness in his portrayal? Then I’d say you would have a fair observable judgement.

With that, Father Brown is Chesterton’s character for which they bear the name for the production by the BBC. And yes, they utilize that reference to Chesterton’s work.

Let’s take authorship and persons onto the theological level and domain. Now, give you somebody in this world can have the exact same name as anyone else (first and last names.) And yes, there could be literally a multitude of Father Browns in the world today (both real and imagined.)

God made you. Now, there could be people who bear your name just by the fact last names spread across the Western English speaking world. And first names are very common. So it’s easy for someone to bear your name. But, however, at the address and city you live. You are the only person, and that is you. Father Brown, who was written by Chesterton (and let alone based on a real priest’s character whom brought Chesterton to the Church.) Thus, there is only one Father Brown that Chesterton penned in his books and wrote about. And likewise, there is you who live in your home and live the life you lead. Made in God’s image and likeness, one and unique. No one else is the same. If someone took your name, street address and impersonated you to fool people, that would be fraud.

Under the same token, the introduction to Father Brown from which G.K. Chesteton’s writ, is being played by an imposter in the BBC production. Because, from the initial episodes, they’ve portrayed Father Brown as really stupid. And yes I caught subtle points revealed in the early stages of the production. They also treat him like a nosebidy. Whereas, in the short stories, Father Brown is usually on a holiday or something taking a break from his daily life. But lo and behold (very similar to Angela Lansbury’s Murder She Wrote), Father Brown is nevertheless inquisitive of the doings of some murder that has now marked his holiday. And there are stories as the Hammer of God, and the man who worships the sun, and is a con.

This imposter, where it is quite subtly revealed with hints of his lack of identifying to the true character of Father Brown (even Father Brown’s side kick Flambeau who was an imposter in the many adventures of his crimes) would be able to reveal that quite well, the Brown in the BBC is truly an imposter. This is not Father Brown, but a fake.
 
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Never really read Fr. Brown, read enough to know I don’t really like it.

Big Sherlock Holmes fan though! :male_detective:
 
Team up Fr. Brown with Sherlock Holmes and time travel with Dr. Who!
 
Might exist out there somewhere in the world of fan fiction…

EDIT: OK, nope, don’t see it… but I do see over 1200 Dr. Who / Sherlock fanfictions on fanfiction.net
 
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I will admit I’ve only seen a few episodes of this show a long time ago. I always thought Father Brown was a Preist from the Church of England/Anglican faith. I learned something new, lol. Fourtuently the episodes I saw were nothing like the ones mentioned that would be contradictory to our Faith.
 
I’m in the middle of season 2 and the focus on saving souls over anything else is the aspect I’ve enjoyed the most. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a show from a secular media entity where there’s so much emphasis on this. I find it really refreshing.

I guess I certainly could pick out and dwell on the elements that don’t live fully up to the Catholic reality, but it hasn’t bothered me. I tend count my blessings and I’m just happy to see a well-made show portraying a Catholic priest in an excellent light. There’s not enough of this kind of stuff out there right now IMO.
 
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You accuse the BBC of making an “imposter” Father Brown. How can a fictional character ever be anything other than an “imposter” to start with? Whether developed by Chesterton or the BBC or anyone else?

Of course the BBC Brown isn’t - can’t be - identical either to how Chesterton imagined him or how you imagine him. And I’m sure you differ from.Cheaterton too. It’s a simple product of different people seeing different parts of one and the same.metaphorical elephant.

Chesterton isn’t here to tell any of us how ‘accurate’ the BBCs show is. All else is speculation. Let well enoigh alone.

I can thoroughly enjoy both written and tv versions for what they are, much as I can thoroughly enjoy both the written and movie versions of Mary Poppins which are very different from each other.
 
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I think the chur h they use in the show is Anglican and being BBC, the show does seem to have Anglican overtones. They just seem to not fully get Catholic theology, but then again, it’s just a show. :confused:
 
It’s just something to watch that has a good story. I don’t dwell on the things they get wrong or misunderstand about the church.
 
Noooo! 😉

Have you seen the new movie Murder on the Orient Express?

I think it was pretty well done, but I hated the ending.
 
How about a Fr. Brown / Dr. Who Crossover?
Time travel is quite different than murder. Unless, they want to sort of take the lead where some inventor with a time machine would serve the purpose of forensics. But then again, if you can find when the murder happened, and “who” did it. Then why not just use the time machine to actually stop the crime from happening? Which would be a much better use than solving a crime. But rather preventing one.

Father Brown (as Chesterton wrote) is a priest who happens to be pulled into the midst of an investigation because of his own natural inquiry. In addition, many of his engagements have been either on vacation, holiday, out sick, or out in the town. None of which are his pursuits of looking to investigate a crime in the first place.

Time travel should betoken an atheist rather than a priest. For the priest is settled and happy with time. Christ entered the world to bring Salvation. Thus to change the results of the fall, and turn people back to God (His Father.) An atheist is not satisfied since he still searches the stars, galaxies and cosmos to explain the universe and all creation. But he is always perplexed and never satisfied. Even though he/she has purported the Big Bang theory is the necessary cause to all creation. He/she nevertheless, isn’t quite satisfied with that explanation. Thus, it would be a marvel to write/produce a story of a time machine traveler who is an atheist. And that perhaps he chooses to find a priest. Wherefore he is set out to prove the priest wrong, or to have him question his assumptions/presumptions/belief. That would be an interesting saga.
 
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