Would this end the CMRI if this happened?

[SHoJjhmou]

After reading this AAA thread,

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?threadid=965746

the question arose in my head: If Pope Francis were to revoke the “special permissions” that Archbishop Thuc supposedly received (this is of course, assuming he got special permission), would all of the bishops he consecrated no longer be valid and no longer able to perform ordinations, thus ending the CMRI?

Thanks for answers.

 

[TheDoctor]

After reading this AAA thread,

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?threadid=965746

the question arose in my head: If Pope Francis were to revoke the “special permissions” that Archbishop Thuc supposedly received (this is of course, assuming he got special permission), would all of the bishops he consecrated no longer be valid and no longer able to perform ordinations, thus ending the CMRI?

Thanks for answers.

It depends. While I am not familiar with Fr. Thuc and the CMRI but based in general my opinions would be:

• If Fr. Thuc were a validly ordained Bishop then all of his ordinations, while perhaps being illicit, would be valid.
• If Fr. Thuc were not a validly ordained Bishop but had been given permission from Pope Pius then the ordinations would have been valid (this would perhaps have violated Canon Law, but the Pope is above Canon Law).
• If Fr. Thuc were not a validly ordained Bishop and did not have special permission from Pope Pius then the ordinations are invalid.

Any bishops validly ordained would remain bishops - there is no “de-bishop” process once validly done as far as I know.

Anyone know more of the story?

 

[PaulfromIowa]

After reading this AAA thread,

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?threadid=965746

the question arose in my head: If Pope Francis were to revoke the “special permissions” that Archbishop Thuc supposedly received (this is of course, assuming he got special permission), would all of the bishops he consecrated no longer be valid and no longer able to perform ordinations, thus ending the CMRI?

The answer is no. Schism and other sins, sadly, will always be present in this world. People who are so deeply into schism don’t care what Pope Francis says or does.

 

[ProVobis]

After reading this AAA thread,

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?threadid=965746

the question arose in my head: If Pope Francis were to revoke the “special permissions” that Archbishop Thuc supposedly received (this is of course, assuming he got special permission), would all of the bishops he consecrated no longer be valid and no longer able to perform ordinations, thus ending the CMRI?

Thanks for answers.

I’m not sure but I think if he were going to do it, invalidate all the Old Catholic Church bishops and others who are not in communion with Rome as well.

 

[Big_Feet]

If the Sacrament was valid when it occurred, it cannot be invalidated at a later time.
Just like in marriage, a tribunal would have to go back and look at the circumstances around the sacrament itself, when it took place to determine if it occurred using valid form and matter. Only if it was found to be invalid at the time of the occurrence, then would it be invalid. It cannot be made invalid ‘after the fact.’