WWYD re: friends and vasectomies

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All my friends husbands are getting vasectomies. I’m not sure what to say or do when they bring up the subject (for some reason it comes up a lot). It’s kind of too late to put in an opinion, it’s over and done with. Should I just let it go? Chime in with some piece of information? Get them to change the subject? Ideas?
 
I wonder why it keeps coming up around you…

are they Catholic? Are you?

maybe they are just trying to get you to disagree with it so they can give you their laundry list of justifications so they can feel good about their decision?

Maybe they are secretly feeling guilty?

Or maybe they are proud of it???

Without more info, it is impossible to know. They are your friends…what do you think?

Whatever you say or do, do so charitably. Pray that the Holy Spirit helps you to figure out what to say and how to say it, or when to keep quiet.

If you have friends who have not yet had a vasectomy, your influence may be all that’s needed to persuade them not to. They already have friends who are doing it and telling them why it would be such a great thing to do.

Malia
 
Wow, I just checked your profile, and you are the same age as I am(28). Are your friends that are getting the vasectomies the same age too? That seems rather young to be making such a permanent decision.

Malia
 
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annb:
All my friends husbands are getting vasectomies. I’m not sure what to say or do when they bring up the subject (for some reason it comes up a lot). It’s kind of too late to put in an opinion, it’s over and done with. Should I just let it go? Chime in with some piece of information? Get them to change the subject? Ideas?
my usual response to such unsolicited information (care of Ann Landers) Why on earth do you wish to share such personal information with us? or, alternatively, “So, how about them Browns (Cowboys, or other team of choice)?”
 
I have a lot of friends (Catholic, and not) whose husbands have had vasectomies. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem to make much difference between the two different groups. When the subject comes up, which it does, I just sort of get quiet. What can I say? The decision has usually been made, and most people think it’s very normal and expected after those two kids come along. I have one friend whose husband did it without her consent, and I really feel for her. But, everyone else thinks it’s great. They sit around and laugh about the “recovery” time their husbands went through, and I just can’t relate. Nor do I want to. When I talk about the blessing of having a large family, it’s like I’m speaking a foreign language. That’s one of the reasons I love this forum. You are the people who speak my language!
 
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puzzleannie:
my usual response to such unsolicited information (care of Ann Landers) Why on earth do you wish to share such personal information with us?..
:clapping:
 
if they aren’t catholic then my response is “why on earth would you want to do that? its mutilation of your genitals. . .” and then that sparks a discussion, and I wing it from there.
If they are Catholic, then I tell them that they should know better, and the church teaches its a sin. That will also spark a discussion which could go a number of directions so I have to wing it as well.

Either way, both types require a bit of fortitude on your part. It’s never easy to tell someone these things, especially a friend.
 
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puzzleannie:
… or, alternatively, “So, how about them Browns (Cowboys, or other team of choice)?”
Around here we use:

“Do you think the rain’ll hurt the rhubarb?”

:whacky:

And I agree- excuse yourself, or change the subject.

👍
 
susie g.:
I have a lot of friends (Catholic, and not) whose husbands have had vasectomies. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem to make much difference between the two different groups. When the subject comes up, which it does, I just sort of get quiet. What can I say?
Maybe you can suggest to your Catholic friends that they confess this to a priest and not to you.
susie g.:
When I talk about the blessing of having a large family, it’s like I’m speaking a foreign language. That’s one of the reasons I love this forum. You are the people who speak my language!
Gracias. That’s one of the reasons I come here too. Even though some do recognize the blessing of a large families, few of my friends have them and none as large as mine. I’m a little older than you and now I sometimes hear the confessions of friends who regret sterilization decisions.
 
Feanaro's Wife:
Wow, I just checked your profile, and you are the same age as I am(28). Are your friends that are getting the vasectomies the same age too? That seems rather young to be making such a permanent decision.

Malia
Well, I’m the youngest in a group of 12 women. Most are in their mid 30’s. We get together monthly to chat and have a potluck lunch, usually. I think I need to be speaking up a bit about something but I’m not sure exactly what it is since pretty much all is said and done in that department. Maybe it’s something else. I’ll keep searching for an answer, in the meantime, if anyone else has suggestions, let me know! I think though I will let them know that it is a subject that I’d prefer wasn’t discussed in front of me. Does that seem reasonable, to send an email to the group about that?
 
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annb:
I’ll keep searching for an answer, in the meantime, if anyone else has suggestions, let me know! I think though I will let them know that it is a subject that I’d prefer wasn’t discussed in front of me. Does that seem reasonable, to send an email to the group about that?
I think it is reasonable to let your friends know that you would rather not discuss this topic, but I personally would **not **do it in an email.

I’m sure you are aware of how emails can be taken very differently from the way they were intended. They can come off as cold, or prudish, or holier than thou. I don’t think it would sit well with Catholic or non Catholic friends alike. And it may come off as controlling. Like they can only discuss opics that you approve.

If I were in your situation, I think I would just address the topic as it comes up. Maybe say something like, you guys know I am Catholic and know that the Church teaches that sterilization is not right.

I am a bit uncomfortable with this topic (be honest). And then just ask them straight out if they are expecting you to comment on it or accept it or what… be very polite and charitable. Make it out to be a problem of yours. You are uncomfortable with the topic. You don’t know what to say…

But this is only one approach. I look forward to seeing the opinions of others on this situation.

Malia
 
Dear AnnB

Yes, voice your opinion!! Calmly, humbly …especially if they are catholic!!
I will share our experience…My DH had it done three years ago after the birth of our third child. 😦 It is by far the biggest regret we have to date. Back then , we were not deep rooted in our faith. All our other “catholic” friends talked about having this done like they were talking about the weather.
Now, We have had a renewal of our faith. We searched our faith and why we called ourselves catholic. We now know the teachings of the CHurch. We now know the reason we are catholic. We now live our lives according to what God wills and not what we have on our agenda. We are thankful for the sacrament of confession. We know GOd has forgiven us. But we can’t help but think if someone would have said something to us…made us think before we acted in such a permanent way…I know in my heart, we would not have gone thru with it. Especially if it was someone who we found to be faith filled. We have since talked about it being reversed but thru prayer and repentance God has called us to increase our family other ways.
We have now been blessed with a fourth child on the way…from China. He is a merciful God and so amazing the way He opens our hearts. I would not trade this journey of adoption for anything…but if we would have had someone tell us something from the Catechism or a bible verse…WE just change so much as we go thru life to do something soooo permanent.
If this friend (s) talks about a vasectomy so casually, then it should be just as casual for you to remind that person of how that isn’t part of God’s plan. Just ask them to pray about it before doing it. Then let God do the rest.
Hope this helps.
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aloejamb:
… We have now been blessed with a fourth child on the way…from China. He is a merciful God and so amazing the way He opens our hearts. I would not trade this journey of adoption for anything…but if we would have had someone tell us something from the Catechism or a bible verse…WE just change so much as we go thru life to do something soooo permanent…
Such a beautiful post. Congratulations on the new child- and May God Bless you for choosing adoption!
 
Usually when people tell me this the dirty job is already done. My friend (who brought me into the church) taught me just to say, “I’m so sorry” and leave it at that. Hopefully that will get them thinking.
 
Well, since they’re into sharing the news in such a way that it encourages others to accept this as the obvious and only thing to do when you’ve reached a certain number of children, you can always use a secular counter example, if you don’t want to get into the whole Catholic thing.

Dr. Phil has talked openly and honestly about the fact that he had a vasectomy after their first child was born and his wife wanted more children. It took many years for him to understand that he was not being open to her and her desires in their marital bed because of his unilateral move. He had the painful surgery to reverse it and they were then blessed with their second child.

What he learned, without the benefit of the teachings of the Catholic Church to help him avoid his error, is that he did a grave error to his wife and his marriage. He also learned that it can be extremely difficult, expensive and painful to undo a vasectomy after it’s been done.

You could also say something as innocent as “Oh, I know you guys have been talking about these so nonchalontly, but I honestly don’t know what I’d do if my husband were to tell me he wanted one. I’d feel as though he were holding out on me in the bedroom. I want to know we can have more children if and when we’re meant to, until my body no longer allows us that option.” or something to that effect.

You can say something, and having the courage to do so lets those who aren’t ready to talk about it but considering getting one know that there is another way to look at it. You may find, that once you voice another opinion, that many of the wives actually secretly regret what’s been done, but can’t say so in the face of common wisdom telling them they’re wrong to feel that way. In hearing the regrets that can come from such a course, there are those who can still be spared the grief.

God bless you in whatever course you take,

CARose
 
Thanks Susan :o

It’s just that by not saying anything, it feels like we’re allowing scandal to become the accepted norm, and that’s where sin thrives. At least help them to think about it if you can.
 
I’m so grateful for such wonderful feedback!
I feel like I could say to them something like, I don’t know what I’d do if my husband wanted to get one.
I’ll try this route!
It’s hard to know what to say in some situations such as this that won’t be offensive but that may serve to help others.
 
Good luck. I’ll say a prayer for you that it goes well and someone, even if you don’t see it, is affected and is spared the pain of making or encouraging an error.

CARose
 
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