Young Catholics Causing Rebirth of Tridentine Mass

[dochawk]

This is wise. My mother had melanoma and even though she had a thick head of dark hair, it started on her scalp. It’s no joke.

I watched my grandmother and her sister each go in to have a facial skin cancer removed every six months or so in their 70s, 80s, and 90s. I have the same Irish skin. At about 30, I began insisting on the hat. I hope it was soon enough.

And now my father has started at about 75 (with the removals, not the hat)

hawk

 

[Loud-living-dogma]

I’ve been to EF Mass without a veil or head covering. It was fine. I’d say 90% of women wear them, but not 100%. There used to be a basket of lace mantillas out by the door, but I haven’t seen them lately.

 

[Maximilian75]

Petition your diocese for a legitimate TLM, dude. Summorum pontificum mandates that if there’s a demand, the bishop needs to provide.

 

[Onthisrock84]

Man I’ve talked to my former diocesan priest who was a friend. I used to be very involved and was a lector and extraordinary minister of the Eucharist. When I asked him if we could have an Extraordinary Form Mass he basically said I’m schismatic. I am not at all. It’s just a preference. I don’t know whose bright idea it was to take the altar railings out of churches either.
With the priest shortage I wouldn’t expect priests to be so willing too. Not to mention not that many diocesan priests are even trained to to the EF.

 

[Fauken]

And so you then decided that the only recourse was to go to Mass with the flagrantly disobedient SSPX? I hope you don’t believe that a disobedient EF was more important than an obedient OF.

 

[KMG]

In some locales, people who attend the SSPX Masses are at least not hearing heterodox teachings from the pulpit. The SSPX situation is not cut and dry, and Rome has ruled that the Sunday obligation is fulfilled at their Masses.

 

[Onthisrock84]

The SSPX situation is interesting. They are not sedevacantalist like the SSPV or CMRI but are also not in full communion like the FSSP or ICKSP.
The SSPX does reject certain things promoted by the Second Vatican Council, however they are not going as far as saying the Church fell into heresy. They make the claim that certain teachings undermine the true faith and also that the Novus Ordo, while a valid Mass, is inferior to the Tridentine Mass. The SSPX is in an irregular status but some questions arise. In the past ten years the Vatican has given faculties to priests in the Society, the most recent, Pope Francis gave them faculties to hear Confessions and to witness Matrimony. So the question naturally arises, if any Catholic can validly get reconciled by one of their priests, does not that in theory mean they are valid?
I will not go as far as to defend them and say they are in full communion, even they would deny that albeit by making stances of why they are right to stick up for their beliefs. They however also pray for the Pope and the local Bishop in Mass. To the Society , they are just as Catholic as anyone else and it’s the Vatican who will not accept them.

Like I said, it is an interesting thing regarding their status. However they are not schismatic as many people believe.

 

[Fauken]

@stpurl

I never called the validity of the SSPX Mass into question. It is a valid Mass. Neither did I imply they were sedevacantist. I said they’re disobedient.

The SSPX is in an irregular status but some questions arise. In the past ten years the Vatican has given faculties to priests in the Society, the most recent, Pope Francis gave them faculties to hear Confessions and to witness Matrimony.

While the SSPX have licit confessions, I’m afraid that wasn’t a blanket approval for marriages. Take this article from One Peter Five:

Rome Grants SSPX Conditional Faculties to Celebrate Marriage - OnePeterFive

“A question raised by a reader who is a traditional priest prompts me to offer an important distinction on this story: priests of the Society still have to receive the faculty to witness marriages from their local bishop, just like any other priest. As Father noted in his message to me, “Canon law gives pastor an ordinary faculty to witnesses marriages, in their parish and they can grant that to their vicars, but if they go somewhere else, they need to ask. So, if the SSPX does not ask, then the result is going to be the same, that they are invalid, with this important difference: if Rome has opened up this door, then it is much more difficult to argue a state of emergency.”

Sounds like they can’t just witness marriages as easily as your comment seems to imply. I wonder how many SSPX priests ask for such permission? Or allow non-SSPX priests with such facilities to witness marriages in their churches? I had a conversation with a canonist in my diocese, and they deal with a good number of SSPX marriages that need to be convalidated. So at least here, it doesn’t seem like they’re asking.

They’re Catholic, but their methods are questionable.

Liturgical abuse is terrible, but in my opinion, the SSPX is not the answer.

 

[Onthisrock84]

Like I said, they have a chapel a couple towns from me. I love the Tridentine Mass. My diocese offers one but its like an hour drive. I only go to it because it is close. If there were options besides the SSPX I would go to it. I don’t go to go against the Church or anything like that. Though I must say I really do love Angelus Press who is kind of their official source of books liturgical and just for Catholic reading.

 

[stpurl]

What do you suggest then? The liturgical abuse is, frankly, just as disobedient. Seems to me like a person should choose the lesser of two evils in a prudential judgment.