Youth and the Extraordinary Form

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thewanderer said:
Also, when Baelor was pressed he (she?) clarified that what was meantt was not that he/she hoped and wanted the EF to become less frequent, but rather that an increase in traditions in the OF is likely to (it ‘should’) decrease some of the desire for the EF, which is probably true. As originally stated it did sound as though Baelor thought of the EF as a bad thing and wanted it to be less available, but that was already clarified in this thread. That is not a good example.
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I’m not challenging you but 75%-80% (750,000,000-800,000,000) of Catholics go to neither the OF or the EF. I’d be more worried about them and their negative feelings than the 1% (3,000,000 or so) who attend the EF.
 
If a Catholic prefers the Ordinary Form Mass why would he or she care that someone else prefers the Extraordinary Form? The Holy Father stated quite clearly that both forms are licit and neither form is to be disparaged; that means to me we all celebrate the Form we prefer and we stay off the backs of those who choose another Form.
 
ProVobis said:
I’m not challenging you but 75%-80% (750,000,000-800,000,000) of Catholics go to neither the OF or the EF. I’d be more worried about them and their negative feelings than the 1% (3,000,000 or so) who attend the EF.
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?? I’m a little confused, I wasn’t saying anything about the negative feelings of those who attend the EF.
 
Esrb99 said:
Being from CAF was not the qualifier in severus68’s post. The qualifier was someone who prefers the OF of the mass.

What floresco seems to be saying is that at a minimum, the mass that came after the council should be celebrated according to the directives of the council. I personally think this is a fair assessment, and to me, it comes naturally. For example, the council called for the people’s parts to be retained in Latin, and for pastors to make use of them enough so that the faithful knew them. I would argue that this is not the case in the vast majority of OF parishes. As such, it could be said that pastors who have read the council documents and still do not occasionally use Latin ordinary responses (dominus vobiscum, sursum corda, etc) are in a spirit of disobedience with the document sacrosanctum concilium from Vatican II.

"54. In Masses which are celebrated with the people, a suitable place may be allotted to their mother tongue. This is to apply in the first place to the readings and “the common prayer,” but also, as local conditions may warrant, to those parts which pertain to the people, according to the norm laid down in Art. 36 of this Constitution.

Nevertheless steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them."
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First of all I thought floresco brought in the qualifier way back when she was complaining that she couldn’t really discuss her true feelings on CAF and had to go to another website to be able to do so.

Linking in from a non CAF’er your link was uncharitable…and inflammatory. I could go out and find things that are the opposite but again that would be uncharitable…unproductive to this discussion…and against CAF rules.

You may argue the case for whatever you want…it’s your opinion. It’s amazing that apparently there are so many people who think we have faithless leaders in our priests and Bishops and can’t rely on them to celebrate Mass correctly.🤷

But what does all this have to do with youth being attracted to the EF?
 
The_Curt_Jester said:
Some areas may be better than others. For instance, let me count what happens at local parishes. Keep in mind that I attend the NO on a regular basis and have probably found the most reverent one within an hour or so.

Church 1: The priest brings his dog everywhere. During adoration. Apparently the dog moves around trying to get attention from people.
Sounds like the priest is having problems finding someone to watch his dog. Not up to you to judge. Maybe you should help him.

Church 2: The priest sang a secular love song (during Mass) to the congregation and asked them to sing it back. Sang Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer during Christmas Mass.
OMG! :eek: Rudolph!!! What was the "secular love song?"

Church 3: Liturgical dancers.
Like the legendary "clown Masses, I’ve never in my life seen this. Sounds like something they would only do occasionally. What’s the big deal about them?

And so on. Obviously that will change with pastors, but I’m just saying that some of us don’t have a lot of choice if we don’t want to (or can’t) travel to get to Mass.
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JustaServant said:
Sounds like the priest is having problems finding someone to watch his dog. Not up to you to judge. Maybe you should help him.
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If a dog cannot be left alone for one hour then there is something seriously wrong with that dog. And if it were normal for a dog not to be able to be left alone for a period of time, I think we’d see a lot of dogs at Mass! If the dog is disturbing people during adoration, then the dog needs to go. His dog, his responsibility.

Note, I forgot to mention that he tosses doggy treats around the church (even up to the altar) and lets his dog go chase them down.
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OMG! Rudolph!!! What was the “secular love song?”
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I don’t know what the latter one was.
JustaServant said:
Like the legendary "clown Masses, I’ve never in my life seen this. Sounds like something they would only do occasionally. What’s the big deal about them?
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I realize this isn’t exactly an answer, but words fail me at this point. Please, find me a brick wall!
 
Here’s another article on young adults and the EF Mass. The international Tridentine Latin Mass Youth Organization Juventutem, started a USA chapter in Michigan. The founder of the chapter is a young Lutheran convert, who found his conversion at the Tridentine Latin Mass. In his first visit he said:
I saw a whole church full of people behaving as if God was really up there on that altar.
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. He went on to convert to the Catholic Church and founded Juventutem Michigan 👍

Article Link:
themichigancatholic.com/2012/05/young-adult-group-shows-love-for-latin-mass/
 
Annabelle_Marie said:
Those all seem to be based on your opinion of what those things are.🤷

I had negative experiences with the EF when I was a child…that and those that loved it that took me are part of the reason I left the church. BUT I realize that is not the fault of that form of the Mass. I also recognize that if I went to the EF…I would be looking for those perceptions again…and would probably find them…because I’m only looking through my lense. Could you not concede that when you attend the OF…you are looking through your lense…and are likely to find what you have an opinion to be incorrect…but for both of us it might be like a bad sunburn…you are likely to be more sensitive to it. But that doesn’t make it the truth.
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I am not talking about my feelings or experiences during Mass. There are objective rules about how the Mass should be celebrated. All three Popes since Vatican II have said that it is important to follow these rules so that is what I think.
 
floresco said:
I am not talking about my feelings or experiences during Mass. There are objective rules about how the Mass should be celebrated. All three Popes since Vatican II have said that it is important to follow these rules so that is what I think.
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Not even going to comment.

So what about those youth at the EF?
 
10thCrusader said:
OK one more time… try to get the thread back on track.
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I like the one from Raymond Arroyo…and the quote from Pope Benedict…“two usages of the one Roman rite”. Ahhh…if we could only remember that.

I think what draws young people is that they are tired of the junk food offered at non-denominal Protestant worship services. I spent my time in those. And although I didn’t know at the time about the real presence…having not been taught by my parents. I could see at Mass that communion was treated with the upmost reverence…something I did not get at my non-denominational church. So, when we made the decision to change churches…it was back to the Catholic Church of my youth…because it had to be somewhere were they took communion that seriously.
 
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