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TheRaiders:
No, its just that you have short quips as if they end all discussion and anything I wrote does not need to be adressed.
I am young, and I am argumentative.
But your arguments are weak becasue they are saying because of this, then not this. The problem is that it could be this and this are true if you catch my drift.
God being everywhere, doesn’t mean Jesus didn’t go to specific places while He was on earth.
**The Apostles spreading the word of God does not mean that Jesus did not also spread the word of God.**The Bible not having something in it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen (John 21:30-31).
The Church not teaching officialy one way or another on a topic doesn’t mean that you can’t believe in something that doesn’t conflict with anything else (though I have to be careful, because a lot of times I find out it does).
Also, you not hearing about one teaching of the Church doesn’t mean it does not exist. A lot has been revealed since Biblical times that the Church accepts as not conflicting with the Bible and Tradition.
Who is OP?
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Jesus did spread the word of God when he was earth and during this ministry the Apostles accompanied him and this was only in the country of his birth. After he was raised he gave instructions and authority to the Apostles to carry on his teachings. He then went to heaven to be with God the Father.
I would be extermely surprised (in fact shocked) if you went to any priest and they said that Jesus taught in other countries when he was on earth.
I don’t see how my simple argument (that Jesus did not go to other countries when he was on earth) is weak when it is in line with Scripture, Tradition and the Church. If what I said contradicts these three then please point it out and I will be happy to stand corrected.

By the way what has been revealed since Biblical times that the Church accepts as not conflicting with the Bible and Tradition??

OP means Original Poster although I was mistaken that he got his information from a friend. It was a documentary.
 
By the way, no hurt feelings. I’d rather move on, because I don’t want or need you to believe Jesus went anywhere other than the Sea of Galilee, Jerusalem, Mount of Olives, and Damascus. I’m just telling you I believe He might have gone elsewhere. I don’t think He went to India necessarily. This is the first time I’ve heard of that theory. I think He might have gone to visit disciples of His that had converted during his lifetime here on earth. Maybe its the people of the 3 Wise men. Maybe its just people in the surrounding towns of Jerusalem. Maybe its people in Egypt that he met as a child. For now, I’m just using my imagination though and it might be false. But believing and imagining is part of childlike faith.
When I go back to Humboldt I will re-read what the Blessed Anne Catherine Emerich wrote on them and thier community. Unless I find, or you can point me to a teaching that says we can’t believe Jesus went elsewhere, then I will believe it.

Patrick
 
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TheRaiders:
By the way, no hurt feelings. I’d rather move on, because I don’t want or need you to believe Jesus went anywhere other than the Sea of Galilee, Jerusalem, Mount of Olives, and Damascus. I’m just telling you I believe He might have gone elsewhere. I don’t think He went to India necessarily. This is the first time I’ve heard of that theory. I think He might have gone to visit disciples of His that had converted during his lifetime here on earth. Maybe its the people of the 3 Wise men. Maybe its just people in the surrounding towns of Jerusalem. Maybe its people in Egypt that he met as a child. For now, I’m just using my imagination though and it might be false. But believing and imagining is part of childlike faith.
When I go back to Humboldt I will re-read what the Blessed Anne Catherine Emerich wrote on them and thier community. Unless I find, or you can point me to a teaching that says we can’t believe Jesus went elsewhere, then I will believe it.

Patrick
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Anne Emmerich is a private revelation which nobody is required to believe even if it is approved by the Church and I don’t know if it has been approved or not.

Sorry to be pedantic but we don’t know there were three wise men.
Scripture only says there were wise men (no number or names). People have assumed there were three because of the gifts.

Anyway nice chatting to you. I’m hope it won’t be the last time.
 
“By the way what has been revealed since Biblical times that the Church accepts as not conflicting with the Bible and Tradition??”

Well, we have found out about how God allowed Mary to be born without original sin. We have furthered our understanding of the Eucharist (though Christians always believed Jesus was literal in the Bible). There are a great many things we Christians didn’t know at the beginning, and still don’t know for sure today. I think this is because we didn’t need to know, or it would have overhwelmed many. Most of these things are just minor details when compared with the bigger picture.
For example, I was taught, and many within the Church have been taught that Joseph was an old man and a widower when he married The Blessed Virgin. But now I found out the Church doesn’t know for sure, but that an apocryphal writing described Joseph in this way. Some of those writings have been proven false. Others think that Joseph was a young man and a virgin. In fact, this is how Anne Catherine Emerich describes him. The Church doesn’t say we have to call him The Virgin Joseph, but we can believe it if we want to.
As for Jesus visiting other people, I think the Bible leaves it open as a possibility, and even hints at it. The Church would never say you have to believe this unless it became a revealed Truth. Thats whats so great about the Catholic Church. There are definate parameters, but there is also lots of freedom. Unlike Protestant churches, though, there are places I can turn to for definate validation.
Patrick
 
Untill further notice, however, I will also continue believing in just 3 Wise men. This is because I’ve always pictured it that way in my head, and nothing shows me I should think otherwise. I think the bodies in Koln germany could be legit and that would be proof that there was at least three.
You don’t have to believe Anne Catherine Emerich, but so far I think she is legit. SHe is being considered for sainthood for her ministry, piety, and charity, not because of her visions. That, to me, is a hallmark of an honest person. That said, she may have been delusional, or mistaken. But I think the nature of those books and their details do not point to this. They are too detailed, and historically acurate. They are not the product of dillusional ramblings. The only possibilities that make sense in my head are that she lied, or she realy had visions (actualy she said she was actualy brought to the scene). Even if she had true visions, some of her details might be wrong, or the product of her imagination.
That is why I, like you, remind myself that there’s a reason we don’t have to accept the work of mystic visionaries. But I don’t see why we shouldn’t, if we know the Bible and Tradition enough to be safe.
Patrick
 
TheRaiders said:
“By the way what has been revealed since Biblical times that the Church accepts as not conflicting with the Bible and Tradition??”

Well, we have found out about how God allowed Mary to be born without original sin. We have furthered our understanding of the Eucharist (though Christians always believed Jesus was literal in the Bible). There are a great many things we Christians didn’t know at the beginning, and still don’t know for sure today. I think this is because we didn’t need to know, or it would have overhwelmed many. Most of these things are just minor details when compared with the bigger picture.
For example, I was taught, and many within the Church have been taught that Joseph was an old man and a widower when he married The Blessed Virgin. But now I found out the Church doesn’t know for sure, but that an apocryphal writing described Joseph in this way. Some of those writings have been proven false. Others think that Joseph was a young man and a virgin. In fact, this is how Anne Catherine Emerich describes him. The Church doesn’t say we have to call him The Virgin Joseph, but we can believe it if we want to.
As for Jesus visiting other people, I think the Bible leaves it open as a possibility, and even hints at it. The Church would never say you have to believe this unless it became a revealed Truth. Thats whats so great about the Catholic Church. There are definate parameters, but there is also lots of freedom. Unlike Protestant churches, though, there are places I can turn to for definate validation.
Patrick
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The story about Joseph being a widower before marrying Jesus has never been a Church teaching. This story is found in the Protoevangelium of James which is not accepted by the Church.

By the way I found this when I was browsing.

www.tcrnews2.com/privaterev.html
 
I’ll read that site, thanks.
That is what I was saying about the Joseph thing: the Church does’t know for sure.
Patrick
 
The Dolores Passion has the Nil Obstat and imprimatur.
nil obstat. a legal term meaning no objection to, nothing in the way of
IMPRIMATUR: Latin, “let it be printed”). Official authorization to print a book or other work, usually granted by a bishop for Catholic publications.
So it falls in the category of private revelation, and you are not wrong to believe it or disbelieve it.
 
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TheRaiders:
Asteroid, I am not privy to even a fraction of the information on Wales as you are. I only assumed since I have been reading that Anglicans are joining the Church and other rumors of a growing number of people not content with the Anglican Church, that it was happening in your area. Maybe it was wishfull thinking. I traveled with a Brittish priest this summer and he said he could see a mass conversion in England sometime soon.
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It’s true that some Anglicans in the UK have joined the church - but only a tiny fraction - and that some Anglican priests are now Catholic priests. We have one in this parish - and quite possibly had a first here recently. There can’t be many Catholic priests who have received a congratulatory letter from the Pope on the occasion of their Golden wedding anniversary.

Maybe there will be a mass conversion of Anglicans but I doubt it (though some may convert over issues such as homosexual vicars and women bishops). I’m a bit worried about them though, being prepared to stay in a church that will ordain an atheist (eg those vicars in the Sea of Faith network) and being far more worried about the church ordaining a woman Christian.

A mass conversion would be good, but ONLY if the conversion is for the right reasons - such as a firm belief in Catholicism - rather than just to get out of another church for some reason. Ah well, we can only pray for such a thing (and keep up the dialogue)
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TheRaiders:
Jump on the peace train was a reference to Cat Stevens, one of my favorite artists. I was tired, so pay no attention to what I wrote. Oh well, that’s another topic.
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Hooray - I recognised the source! Cat Stevens produced some good music didn’t he? At one time I had all his albums pre-changing his name to Yusuf Islam. That ‘all’ even includes an obscure compilation album that had all the b-sides of his 1960s singles.
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TheRaiders:
I’m looking up the reference in the Bible. If my memory serves me correctly, in one of the Gospels it doesn’t say where Jesus went, only that He left the Apostles for a time after His Resurection and mentioned something about another flock.
Anne Catherine Emerich is pretty legit, I’m not sure about the other mystics. In the book devoted to her visions concerning Mary, she mentions a group set up by the 3 Magi. I don’t have the book on me, but I will in a week. In the footnotes (which are extensive, and may not be covered in the index) the author mentions other visions of her’s in the 3-volume book about Jesus where she mentions Him going to them after His Resurection. Sorry for the vagueness, I will investigate further.
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Vagueness is fine - thanks for offering to look up the references. One day I’ll get round to reading Emmerich - I’ve been reading other private revelation things so one day Emmerich will beckon. Is there an edition that’s better than any other?

There seems to have been lots of argument since about “three” magi - but as you say, when visualizing things or praying with the scripture text it really doesn’t matter whether we see 3 magi or 2 or 4 or however many. We don’t know, so we are free to visualize these things in whatever way God can best get the message through to us individually. Visualizing Jesus as a 3 legged 20 foot woman would be wrong - we know he wasn’t! But 3 magi is fine isn’t it? (as long as we allow others to see 4 magi when meditating on the scene)
 
Geeesh, thanks to all the responses - you have all certainly given me lots of ammunition when asked this type of question!

Your little chat TheRaiders and thistle was also very entertaining.

May God Bless you all… 👍
 
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