‘A Catholic case for same-sex marriage’

[TheKingdomOfGod]

You know that the word of God, the God breathed scriptures upon which much of Christianity rests, and all of which “is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,” the very words communicated by God to Man, the wisdom of the prophets, the apostles, and the Lord Himself, is wrong incorrect and outdated because it feels like it?

I never said the word of God was wrong. I said some sections of the Bible are wrong because of my innate sense of morality, logic etc.

As fallen creatures, the whole thing about what we believe to be written on our hearts is that it’s supposed to be a starting point that is corrected by and does not correct what reason and revelation tell us, with scripture, whether we like it or not, doing a large part of the correcting.

We don’t just ignore what God says because in our hearts we don’t think it feels right. Our hearts are fallen too. Not completely, of course. But if they weren’t at least somewhat imperfect then a) people wouldn’t disagree about moral issues “in their hearts” and b) God would not have had to put so much effort into teaching us how to behave.

Yes but we also use your hearts to listen to what God has said.

 

[TheKingdomOfGod]

I’m not sure what or who your pronoun refers to but it does seem a little schizophrenic. It is like you are saying you want to change the civil definition of woman, but not the Church’s definition of woman; very strange.

No-it’s not.

Thanks for your concern-I believe however my mental health is fine.

 

[RevDon]

Originally Posted by Stephen168
Historically marriage is that human condition where children are created and raised by their parents until adulthood. It predates the state and the Church. In fact the state is very new to the marriage game. So new I would question its right to change the historic definition. The Church accepts that historic definition because it is by God’s design.

If we may use scripture as a testament to history:
Abram and Sarai were considered married before Judaism
Yes, the natural relationship of man and woman for the sake of family (among many purposes) predated government-secular or religious. And as it evolved and was governed by secular and/or religious authority it took many shapes, including polygamy.

Marriage was regulated by the Roman Empire in Jesus’ day, and additionally (but separately) celebrated in a religious community.

This pattern persisted until the fall of the western Roman Empire, when the Church (now officially recognized) was left as the only authority to recognize and record marriages.

Perhaps it’s not the state that should “get out of the marriage business,” but rather the Church that should concentrate on what Jesus -not the state- gave her the authority to do: sanctify and name the religious gifts that the sacrament brings to the couple, the family and the Church.

 

[edwest2]

Thank you, Ed.
I believe that the two examples offered are a good example of what marriage isn’t.
I’ve had to deal with some of these screwy ideas with heterosexuals seeking to be “married” too.
I believe that these give a good agenda for what any legalization of gay marriage and application of heterosexual marriage must address.
The people in these links don’t get it, and their example should not be allowed to stand for what our society calls marriage

You’re welcome. I watched heterosexual marriage being “encouraged” to go in the wrong direction for 40 years, and by some of the same people now pushing gay marriage.

I think a lot of them get it but instead of self-discipline, self-restraint and self-control, they are surrounded by messages telling them to forget all that. Yes, we all struggle with sin. But the moment we stop struggling toward doing good, it becomes harder to regain control of ourselves.

May God have mercy,
Ed

 

[jerome_ky]

I’m not a troll, I’m just someone who disagrees with the Catholic view on same-sex marriage and homosexuality.

You are the very definition of a troll. The Catholic Church teaches that your opinion is WRONG. Good luck in whatever Protestant faith you wind up in.

 

[TEPO]

I saw this thread not long after it was created but never gave it much thought since the premise is so nonsensical, but I have to wonder what goes through peoples’ minds to account for the 300+ posts that have been made. If the topic was perpetual motion machines or exceeding the speed of light I might accept the reasonableness of a variety of opinions but believing there is a Catholic case for same-sex marriage is to believe the unbelievable. To assume otherwise is to labor under the premise that words have no particular meaning.

I once attended a debate where a professor argued that the Catholic Church actually supported homosexual behavior. I think he was being facetious but the professor who responded to him gave the only sensible rebuttal: that’s nonsense. So is the premise of this thread.

Ender

I second this! Why is this thread still here…

 

[Monkey1976]

Indeed a square can’t be a circle.

Finally, something we can agree on.

Well I can name 11 countries and a handful of US states plus other national jurisdictions which disagree. Plus many more, including my own nation, who are on their way to legalise same sex marriage.

They might as well try to repeal the law of gravity.

Not most society, especially not those above.

Name 3 societies prior to AD2000 that accepted same-sex “marriage” as something equal to marriage.

In their hearts gay people know there is nothing wrong with who they are and the way in which they were born.

Then why so much sound and fury for “tolerance”? Why such aggressive promotion of their activities? Why the demand that those who believe differently to be silenced? If something is good and true, then it will be clear that it is so.

Well I can’t name a single profession where there would be a reason to exclude someone who is gay.

Gym teacher/coach. Would you be comfortable with a heterosexual male in a high school girls’ locker room?

Yes, or the fact we have moved on since then and some Biblical passages are completely wrong and outdated.

Seriously? I’m curious - what’s your test for determining if a passage is “wrong and outdated”?

Because I know it in my heart, just as you and most of the people on this thread know.

Then by what authority do you tell us that we are wrong? If it’s just you “know it in your heart”, then how can you be absolutely certain that what we “know in our hearts” is wrong and you are right? How can you know for sure that you have not been deceived? Assuming that this isn’t one of the verses that isn’t “wrong and outdated” (still in shock over that statement), 1 John 4:1 tells us:[BIBLEDRB]1 John 4:1[/BIBLEDRB]Logically, we need some measure against which to test these “spirits”. For Catholics (and Orthodox, as far as I know), it is the teachings of the Church. For most Protestants, it is Scripture alone. What is your standard to ensure that what you “feel” is correct and in accordance with the will of God?