‘Revolution’: Rome Lutheran pastor says Pope Francis ‘opened door’ to intercommunion

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ROME, December 16, 2015 (LifeSiteNews) – Pope Francis “opened the door” to intercommunion between Catholics and Lutherans last month, beginning a “revolution,” says the pastor of the Lutheran community the pope visited recently.
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“I think it’s typical for Pope Francis to open doors, and now we, as churches, have the duty to find ways to fill this open door with more of a life of ecumenism, of unity,” Pastor Jens Kruse of Rome’s Evangelical Lutheran Church said in a December 12 interview with the National Catholic Register’s Ed Pentin.
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Pope Francis raised controversy last month after suggesting to a Lutheran woman who asked about receiving Communion with her Catholic husband that she could “go forward" guided by individual conscience.
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I still wonder why the standard answer could not have been given in response to that question. How does the Catholic Church expect to be taken seriously by the world when its clergy and faithful are so afraid of giving straight answers from Church teaching?

Watch this:
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CopyBoy said:
ROME, December 16, 2015 (LifeSiteNews) – Pope Francis “opened the door” to intercommunion between Catholics and Lutherans last month, beginning a “revolution,” says the pastor of the Lutheran community the pope visited recently.
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The article apparently counts as “intercommunion” any instance of someone receiving communion at another church (with which he/she is not in full communion). I don’t want to get into a debate over terminology, but I think that ought to be made clear at the outset.

But even if we accept that terminology, the idea that “Pope Francis opened the door to intercommunion” really doesn’t make sense. Does the author think that there was previously a rule that “no Lutheran may ever receive communion in a Catholic church under any circumstances”?
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The possibility of someone who rejects core Roman Catholic beliefs being allowed to take communion? This is where ecumenism goes too far. The sacred mysteries of the Church must be protected from the heterodox.
 
At least Cardinal Sarah opposes this. Ecumenism as dialogue and cooperation on some moral issues is good but when it comes to diluting if not completely contradicting Catholic teaching, then it becomes nothing more than blindfolding ourselves to our fundamental disagreements and singing koombaya.
 
I wonder if the Lutheran knows that ecumenism is about getting Protestants to renounce heresy and come back to Christ’s Church. He seems to think it is about uniting Truth to heresy.

Lutheran’s don’t go to Holy Confession and get valid absolution from validly ordained priests. How could they ever receive Holy Communion? They will commit sacrilege against the Body and Blood of God. Their conscience is corrupted from the Fall. They can receive the bread and wine at a Lutheran church no problem, because it is not really God’s Body and Blood. They don’t have a valid line of Apostolic Succession.

I have a feeling this is a complete misunderstanding. This happens a lot. I will have to look into it more. It reminds me of when Pope Francis said “who am I to judge” and everyone thought that meant he was saying practicing homosexuals are not living in sin.
 
MiserableSinner said:
I wonder if the Lutheran knows that ecumenism is about getting Protestants to renounce heresy and come back to Christ’s Church. He seems to think it is about uniting Truth to heresy.
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You sure love throwing that word ‘heresy’ around a lot.
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Son_of_Niall said:
You sure love throwing that word ‘heresy’ around a lot.
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Yes I take the 1st Commandment literally.

2087 Our moral life has its source in faith in God who reveals his love to us. St. Paul speaks of the "obedience of faith"9 as our first obligation. He shows that “ignorance of God” is the principle and explanation of all moral deviations.10 Our duty toward God is to believe in him and to bear witness to him.

2088 The first commandment requires us to nourish and protect our faith with prudence and vigilance, and to reject everything that is opposed to it. There are various ways of sinning against faith:

Voluntary doubt about the faith disregards or refuses to hold as true what God has revealed and the Church proposes for belief. Involuntary doubt refers to hesitation in believing, difficulty in overcoming objections connected with the faith, or also anxiety aroused by its obscurity. If deliberately cultivated doubt can lead to spiritual blindness.

2089 Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. “**Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”**11

I call heresy heresy because I don’t want people to go to Hell forever and ever. It would be the greatest extreme of being uncharitable to call it something else.

In all things, we should ask, what would Christ have us do? Does He want us to call heresy heresy or something else like “reformed protestant theology?” If He wants us to call it heresy, we should call it heresy.
 
Jon_Mallory said:
The possibility of someone who rejects core Roman Catholic beliefs being allowed to take communion? This is where ecumenism goes too far. The sacred mysteries of the Church must be protected from the heterodox.
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I agree.
 
Jon_Mallory said:
At least Cardinal Sarah opposes this. Ecumenism as dialogue and cooperation on some moral issues is good but when it comes to diluting if not completely contradicting Catholic teaching, then it becomes nothing more than blindfolding ourselves to our fundamental disagreements and singing koombaya.
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Son_of_Niall said:
You sure love throwing that word ‘heresy’ around a lot.
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Just because that word isn’t thrown around a lot these days, doesn’t mean that there is none. If anything, the fact that the usage of that term has been mocked and marginalized, goes to show just how callous some Protestants think they can get.
 
Once again we have the media twisting Pope Francis words. They eliminated the part where he said he has no authority to allow her to receive Holy Communion. Her conscience would tell her that too.
 
It’s hard to sift the truth from falsehood in journalism these days. So many pictures of Pope Francis are appearing in which he is hugging or standing with some member of another faith community. One image that stands out in my mind is of him hugging Patriarch Bartholomew with one caption reading “Nothing can separate us” or something to that effect. It’s deceptive and shallow. I’m sure both want the other to repent of heresy and THEN there can be true unity. The articles on the web seem to be written by people who want to skip the “repent of heresy” part.
 
MiserableSinner said:
I wonder if the Lutheran knows that ecumenism is about getting Protestants to renounce heresy and come back to Christ’s Church. He seems to think it is about uniting Truth to heresy.

Lutheran’s don’t go to Holy Confession and get valid absolution from validly ordained priests. How could they ever receive Holy Communion? They will commit sacrilege against the Body and Blood of God. Their conscience is corrupted from the Fall. They can receive the bread and wine at a Lutheran church no problem, because it is not really God’s Body and Blood. They don’t have a valid line of Apostolic Succession.
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Yes, we do. Lack of Catholic recognition doesn’t matter.

Jon
 
Jon_Mallory said:
At least Cardinal Sarah opposes this. Ecumenism as dialogue and cooperation on some moral issues is good but when it comes to diluting if not completely contradicting Catholic teaching, then it becomes nothing more than blindfolding ourselves to our fundamental disagreements and singing koombaya.
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Missouri Synod Lutherans agree

Jon
 
JonNC said:
Yes, we do. Lack of Catholic recognition doesn’t matter.

Jon
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You have over 19,000 posts on this website. By now, thousands of people must have prayed for your conversion. God has surely given you many, many graces to convert. Why are you resisting the Holy Spirit?

James 4:6
Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose: “He jealously desires the Spirit which He has made to dwell in us”? 6But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.”

Pride causes us to resist God’s grace.

Lutherans are the product of a rebellion against God’s Church 500 years ago. Christ came to Earth 2000 years ago. He sent His Apostles 2000 years ago. The Holy Spirit was promised and guided us into all truth:

John 16:13
"I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14"He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.…

We were promised the fullness of the Truth by Christ Himself. That means Doctrine and Dogma directly from the Creator of the Universe. He said the Holy Spirit would come after He rose from the dead, and shortly after rising from the dead, He went to the Father and the Spirit of truth, who was promised, came and guided us into all Truth (by “us” I mean the Church).

For something to be true, it must have been taught by the Apostles back then and then handed down in a line of succession ever since then in one Church. That Church can only be, and is, the Catholic Church. The Lutheran church, which is a product of a rebellion against the Church that God established, teaches things that were made up 500 years ago. Those doctrines do not come from God.

Humble yourself and be converted. Return to your Lutheran family and friends and show them the truth, so that they may also be converted. God loves you and wants to save your souls, and that of your family and friends. It is up to you to be an instrument of His grace.

If you choose to be proud and not humble yourself, God will oppose you.

I love you. God loves you

I salute your Guardian Angel (please help)
 
Jon_Mallory said:
The possibility of someone who rejects core Roman Catholic beliefs being allowed to take communion? This is where ecumenism goes too far. The sacred mysteries of the Church must be protected from the heterodox.
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The Mercy of Christ is the supreme mystery of the Church which trumps the perceived need by the Church to protect itself from “the hetrodox”.
 
So did Pope Francis now allow Catholics to attend Lutheran services to commune and to fulfill their Sunday obligation? How else can one interpret this Lutheran pastor? Certainly it is of no profit to him if his congregation all receives communion at a Catholic Church.
 
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