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cazayoux said:
Fortunately he doesn’t say “everyone grab their bible and figure it out for themselves without any direction from the church that Christ himself founded”
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Yes, this is a very common misconception about what we believe.

Protestants do believe in the church and in the authority of the church. We just don’t believe that your church is the sole authority.

Yes, we have the liberty to interpret scripture for ourselves, but what the Catholic never wants to acknowledge is that, while we have the liberty to interpret it for oursleves, we’re still held accountable for our interpretation.

If I read a verse and choose to interpret it in a way that goes against the commonly held standard, then I’m going to be corrected. If it’s something that’s heretical, then I’m going to given the choice to repent of that or face discipline.

It is not the free for all that you all portray it as being.
 
JoeBlow said:
Yes, this is a very common misconception about what we believe.

Protestants do believe in the church and in the authority of the church. We just don’t believe that your church is the sole authority.

Yes, we have the liberty to interpret scripture for ourselves, but what the Catholic never wants to acknowledge is that, while we have the liberty to interpret it for oursleves, we’re still held accountable for our interpretation.

If I read a verse and choose to interpret it in a way that goes against the commonly held standard, then I’m going to be corrected. If it’s something that’s heretical, then I’m going to given the choice to repent of that or face discipline.

It is not the free for all that you all portray it as being.
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“commonly held standard” according to whom? Luther and Calvin didn’t even agree on some of the basics.
 
ckempston said:
“commonly held standard” according to whom? Luther and Calvin didn’t even agree on some of the basics.
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Comonly held standard of:
The Body of Christ. The Holy Spirit led Family of God. Brothers and Sisters in Christ. God’s church.
 
ellammcg said:
IAW the new World Christian Encyclopedia, published by Oxford University Press:

adherents.com/misc/WCE.html
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And this has been debunked many times.

His methodology is terrible.
  1. He includes many non-Christian religious groups and counts them as Christian denominations
  2. He counts different boards, councils, etc, within the same denomination as seperate denominations.
  3. He counts independant churches as denominations unto themselves.
  4. He counts different churches within the same denomination as seperate denominations.
You also might be interested to know that he also claims that there are 200 Catholic denominations so, if you’re going to claim that source for your claim that there are 30,000 non-Christian denominations, then you also have to accept his claim that there are 200 Catholic denominations.
 
JoeBlow said:
And this has been debunked many times.

His methodology is terrible.
  1. He includes many non-Christian religious groups and counts them as Christian denominations
  2. He counts different boards, councils, etc, within the same denomination as seperate denominations.
  3. He counts independant churches as denominations unto themselves.
  4. He counts different churches within the same denomination as seperate denominations.
You also might be interested to know that he also claims that there are 200 Catholic denominations so, if you’re going to claim that source for your claim that there are 30,000 non-Christian denominations, then you also have to accept his claim that there are 200 Catholic denominations.
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If there are indeed absolute truths then even two denominations is one too many.
 
JoeBlow said:
Who said there’s more than one version of the truth?
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The multitude of Protestant denominations For instance the Catholic Church and the Baptist denominations disagree profoundly on what is necessary for salvation. When talking about something as is important as the fate of one’s immortal soul this cannot be written off as a minor difference. So how do we reconcile this?
 
ckempston said:
Define Orthodox Christianity. I know for a fact that several churches that disagree on several basics claim to be “orthodox” in their beliefs.
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I’m not going to get into this “explain this…now explain that” infinite regress game with you.

The Bible holds standards for us to follow. You believe that your church holds different standards, so I don’t see any point in bickering with you about what our standards are.

I can walk into any of the churches in my town and, with the exception of the Roman Catholics, I know that we’re going to be in agreement because we share the same standard.

I understand that you have different beliefs.
 
JoeBlow said:
I’m not going to get into this “explain this…now explain that” infinite regress game with you.

The Bible holds standards for us to follow. You believe that your church holds different standards, so I don’t see any point in bickering with you about what our standards are.
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Gee, I thought it was normal in a discussion to define terms to avoid confusion. If you don’t define your terms you can’t expect to be taken seriously.
 
JoeBlow said:
I’m not going to get into this “explain this…now explain that” infinite regress game with you.

The Bible holds standards for us to follow. You believe that your church holds different standards, so I don’t see any point in bickering with you about what our standards are.
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You’re not going to get into it is you can’t explain it. When you say “our” standards are you talking about the standards of the Lutheran denomination?. Baptist? Mormon? Presbyterian? Anglican? Methodist? Church of Christ? The Seventh-day Adventists? Jehovah witnesses? Quakers? Unitarians?
 
JoeBlow said:
I can walk into any of the churches in my town and, with the exception of the Roman Catholics, I know that we’re going to be in agreement because we share the same standard.

I understand that you have different beliefs.
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Totally untrue. The Church of Christ and any Baptist church would be an example of two “Bible based” denominations in which they disagree on the very basics of salvation.
 
estesbob said:
You’re not going to get into it is you can’t explain it.
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If that’s the way you want to spin it, then good on you.
When you say “our” standards are you talking about the standards of the Lutheran denomination?. Baptist? Mormon? Presbyterian? Anglican? Methodist? Church of Christ? The Seventh-day Adventists? Jehovah witnesses? Quakers? Unitarians?
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What would be the point of discussing it with you when you don’t even know that Unitarians, Mormons, and Jehovah’s Witnesses aren’t Christians?
 
JoeBlow said:
If that’s the way you want to spin it, then good on you.

What would be the point of discussing it with you when you don’t even know that Unitarians, Mormons, and Jehovah’s Witnesses aren’t Christians?
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There you go. At least you’re narrowing your definition of “orthodox.” That’s all I was asking for. So, what about the Baptists and CoCers?
 
ckempston said:
There you go. At least you’re narrowing your definition of “orthodox.” That’s all I was asking for. So, what about the Baptists and CoCers?
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Like I said, what’s the point of discussing it when you’re just going to argue and when you don’t even know the difference between Christianity and cults like Mormons, JWs, and Unitarians?
 
JoeBlow said:
If that’s the way you want to spin it, then good on you.

What would be the point of discussing it with you when you don’t even know that Unitarians, Mormons, and Jehovah’s Witnesses aren’t Christians?
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The Mormonand the Jehovah’s Witnesses most certainly consider that some Christians. They use the same Scripture you use andthey have very different interpretations than you do. The same can be said for the Lutheran denomination, Baptist,Presbyterians Anglicans, Methodists, Church of Christ,The Seventh-day Adventists, and Quakers. How do we reconcile this
 
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