“Once Saved Always Saved” ...

[geezerbob]

No, those are the only ones the BIble lists as being essential.

For at least the third time, what does Jesus say is essential for salvation in Mt. 25:31-46? Something about feeding the hungry, clothing the naked and other similar things, if I remember correctly. Even though Jesus said it was necessary, you’re telling us that it isn’t. C’mon, now.

 

[distracted]

What it means, once again, as I view it, is that once they are covered by the blood of Christ as they view it, Gods love and sacrifice is all encompassing and is never taken from them.

even if the person “throws his faith away” and commits, say, Murder??

Once they are “saved” they feel it is till they pass on.

It is not about FEELINGS… sometimes i don’t feel like… being celibate, for example… but i continue on because of the truth…

It has nothing to do with breaking commandments or living wrong and getting away with it.

Then why, when Jesus was asked by some man… “What must i do to be saved?” Jesus told him… not to accept his as personal savior (words found nowhere in Scirputre) but to obey the commandments. And when the man told him he had done that, Jesus said that in order to be perfect (Be perfect as your father in heaven is perfect), he should give up everything he has and follow Him… (??) st. Mark 10:`17

 

[cazayoux]

No, those are the only ones the BIble lists as being essential.

The only ones? …

I’ll throw in a few verbs here

As a Catholic, I believe what the Bible says in terms of what one must do in order to get to Heaven …
**Have **faith (Rom 3:28, John 3:16, 1 John 4:15)
**forgive **the sins of others (Matt 6:14-15)
**care **for one’s family (1 Tim 5:8)
**feed **the hungry, **clothe **the naked, **visit **the sick and imprisoned (Matt 25:31-46)
**keep **the Commandments (Matt 19:17 and 1 John 2:3-4)
**love **my brother (1 John 2:10)
**deny **ourselves and pick up our cross daily (Luke 9:23)
**do **the will of the Father (Matt 7:21)
**eat **the flesh and **drink **the blood of the Son of Man (John 6:51-58)
**give **a return for the talents the Master has given us (Matt 25:14-30)
**be **baptized (John 3:3-5, 1 Ptr 3:20-21)
**confess **our sins (1 John 1:9)…
all by the grace of God.

michel

 

[Strevel]

You really don’t get it do you? The Church has NEVER been concerned with interpreting specific verses of scripture. All church doctrines must pass a three part test. Are they supported by scripture? Are they Supported by tradition? Are the supported by the infallible teachings of the magestrium.

I could not care less how you parse a verse from Romans or Corinthians or anywhere from anywhere else in scripture . I don’t have to dig through scripture trying to determine the truth-the truth was revealed in its entirety 2,000 years ago and was entrusted by Christ to his Church. You, on the other hand, as with most of our separated brethren ,spend an inordinate amount of time constructing complex theologies out of stringing together random verses of scripture while ignoring all who went before you.

If you and another of our separated brethren , after interminable verse wars, cannot reconcile you differences, you just go off an start another denomination. You deny the infallibility of the magestrium while proudly proclaiming your own infallibly. And through all this confusion reigns supreme except in the Church Christ founded.
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How dare you! How dare you make sence and furthermore, be correct in your perception of the scripture and verses. A Stone mason will no more take one brick and attempt to build a house around it than a group of seperated bretheren would take a verse and attempt to develope a faith around…oops, they do!

Brother, they have no idea that the Bible is a group of books that we put together and divided it into chapters and verses for reasons other than the ones they like. It just made the reading easier!

Don in Vegas,
Catholic to da Bone!! …to da Marrow even, already!

 

[myredeemerlives]

What essentials would those be? Church of Christ believes that Repentance and immersion Baptism are necessary for Salvation. Baptists believe Baptism is merely a symbolic act of obedience with no salvic value and you’re saved when you believe. Pentecostals believe in “Baptism” of the Holy Spirit, which involves no water at all but a whole lot of speaking in tongues, which is the only “evidence” that you’re saved. I’d say those are pretty big “essential” disagreements.

Actually you are wrong with that. I’m Pentecostal and we are absolutely all for water baptism, it’s the first step of obedience. And it’s where speaking in tongues comes from, you don’t do that until after you are baptised by full immersion as Jesus commanded.

Do some more study and check these things out more.

 

[ckempston]

Actually you are wrong with that. I’m Pentecostal and we are absolutely all for water baptism, it’s the first step of obedience. And it’s where speaking in tongues comes from, you don’t do that until after you are baptised by full immersion as Jesus commanded.

Do some more study and check these things out more.

My mistake. Simple question:

Does Baptism save you?

 

[Strevel]

You’re nitpicking and arguing over semantics. I won’t dispute anything you’ve said here.

Communication is semantics. It is hardly nitpicking.

Once Saved Always Saved is not a ticket to a buffet were once you are in you are in forever. You must actually DO something. You must grow as an individual, set spiritual goals, study,learn and read. You must make decisions in your day to day life based upon the precepts we are taught and actualy "go in peace to serve the Lord. Once saved always saved sounds nice but is a very very ever so dangerous teaching that will damn many people to a hell they casually walk right by due to the teachings. A person can say I just murdered someone, I just slept with another mans wife, …but I am saved. It negates the repentance, a proper and correct confession. Where is the action that corrects the act, where is the reparation, the confiator…
Sorry bro, WSAS is bologna made up by someone because they did a lot of wrong things and were not willing to do the right thing.

Don in Vegas

 

[ckempston]

Communication is semantics. It is hardly nitpicking.

Once Saved Always Saved is not a ticket to a buffet were once you are in you are in forever. You must actually DO something. You must grow as an individual, set spiritual goals, study,learn and read. You must make decisions in your day to day life based upon the precepts we are taught and actualy "go in peace to serve the Lord. Once saved always saved sounds nice but is a very very ever so dangerous teaching that will damn many people to a hell they casually walk right by due to the teachings. A person can say I just murdered someone, I just slept with another mans wife, …but I am saved. It negates the repentance, a proper and correct confession. Where is the action that corrects the act, where is the reparation, the confiator…
Sorry bro, WSAS is bologna made up by someone because they did a lot of wrong things and were not willing to do the right thing.

Don in Vegas

Were you addressing me in this whole post? Because I haven’t been defending OSAS.

 

[Strevel]

Were you addressing me in this whole post? Because I haven’t been defending OSAS.

Sorry . No, it was a general comment and I obviously clicked the wrong place.

All appropriate apologies extended. YA COULD BEAT ME WITH WET PASTA, BUT IT WOULD BE SUCH A WASTE OF GOOD PASTA! HAHAHAHA
tAKE CARE.

dON IN vAS lEGAS!

 

[ckempston]

Sorry . No, it was a general comment and I obviously clicked the wrong place.

All appropriate apologies extended. YA COULD BEAT ME WITH WET PASTA, BUT IT WOULD BE SUCH A WASTE OF GOOD PASTA! HAHAHAHA
tAKE CARE.

dON IN vAS lEGAS!

Gotcha, and for the record, I agree with you on semantics. I was just being a tad touchy in that post.

 

[Jimmy_B]

Communication is semantics. It is hardly nitpicking.

Once Saved Always Saved is not a ticket to a buffet were once you are in you are in forever. You must actually DO something. You must grow as an individual, set spiritual goals, study,learn and read. You must make decisions in your day to day life based upon the precepts we are taught and actualy "go in peace to serve the Lord. Once saved always saved sounds nice but is a very very ever so dangerous teaching that will damn many people to a hell they casually walk right by due to the teachings. A person can say I just murdered someone, I just slept with another mans wife, …but I am saved. It negates the repentance, a proper and correct confession. Where is the action that corrects the act, where is the reparation, the confiator…
Sorry bro, WSAS is bologna made up by someone because they did a lot of wrong things and were not willing to do the right thing.

Don in Vegas

 

[JoeBlow]

For at least the third time, what does Jesus say is essential for salvation in Mt. 25:31-46? Something about feeding the hungry, clothing the naked and other similar things, if I remember correctly. Even though Jesus said it was necessary, you’re telling us that it isn’t. C’mon, now.

You need to read the passage again. He never says that it’s essential to feed or clothe anyone in order to be saved.

Yes, I’m telling you that it isn’t necessary.

 

[JoeBlow]

Sockpuppet

Then, no, I’m not related to him.

 

[jrssls]

I actually agree with you on OSAS, because it’s simply not Biblical, and agree to an extent that there is a correct interpretation to any given scripture, and it is not subjective; however, is it not your personal interpretation that the Catholic Church is the true church, or that the Magesterium is the interpretive authority? That’s circular reasoning. You’re accusing Protestants of a fallacy, but are also committing one yourself. The accusation of “personal interpretation” is often a straw man argument against non-Catholics. Most people don’t believe in personal interpetation, but correct interpretation. For the most part, the Bible means what it says, and says what it means. The only time it doesn’t do this is when it makes use of Jewish idioms and makes statements in a cultural context. There is no need for a Magesterium to interpret, just a little homework.

The vast majority of differences from Catholics and Protestants come from the assumptions that each brings to Biblical interpretation. For Catholics, it’s deference to the Magesterium. For Protestants, it’s deference to the philosophies of either Calvin or Luther, (sola scriptura, sola fide). Simply making an observation here, not agreeing or disagreeing with any of these.

I completely agree with you.

 

[thecoach]

I completely agree with you.

Good call ckempson

 

[cazayoux]

You need to read the passage again. He never says that it’s essential to feed or clothe anyone in order to be saved.

Yes, I’m telling you that it isn’t necessary.

How, then, do you interpret the results of not doing this?

Matt 25:41
Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Matt 25:46
And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

Doesn’t look like salvation to me.

michel

 

[JoeBlow]

How, then, do you interpret the results of not doing this?

Doesn’t look like salvation to me.

michel

The problem, of course is that you can’t just pick out people who weren’t saved. You have to show the link between salvation and doing good works.

 

[geezerbob]

You need to read the passage again. He never says that it’s essential to feed or clothe anyone in order to be saved.

Yes, I’m telling you that it isn’t necessary.

I’ve read this many, many times. Okay, I’ll bite. If Jesus isn’t telling us that what we do to others, we do to Him, and that the righteous (obedient) will go into eternal life, what exactly is he telling us?

 

[cazayoux]

The problem, of course is that you can’t just pick out people who weren’t saved. You have to show the link between salvation and doing good works.

Pretty straightforward here.
Do this, you’re a sheep and go to heaven.
Don’t do this, you’re a goat and go to hell.

Seems the whole passage is about heaven, hell, and an verbs deciding the way.

michel

 

[JoeBlow]

I’ve read this many, many times. Okay, I’ll bite. If Jesus isn’t telling us that what we do to others, we do to Him, and that the righteous (obedient) will go into eternal life, what exactly is he telling us?

He’s telling them that those who are born again will go to Heaven, while those who are not born again will go to Hell.