“The hour has come .... abandon the practice of Communion standing and in the hand”

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We have seven Brothers in our parish. Three of the Brothers are also priests, but two of them are physically disabled, including the pastor. They are very holy men. They have turned the parish around in the 25 years that they have been here.

How are these two men going to distribute communion at an altar rail one in a wheel chair and the other on two canes. They choose a spot and and the faithful come to them.

The priest on canes has to nold both canes and the Blessed Sacrament. It’s quite a juggling act. He has one of the other Brothers carry the Blessed Sacrament for him until he reaches his spot, then leans on his canes so he can distribute communion.

Are we going to put such men out to pasture? That’s not fair. They’re not the only priests with disabilities. As priests get older than they did in the past, because people are living longer, we have many older priests who don’t have the physical stamina to walk back and forth along a communion rail, not to mention priests with disabilities.

One of the things that the NO made possible was the ordination of men with disabilities, because the sanctuaries and churches were simpler in their design with less steps and less walking around.

I don’t want to go back to excluding men with disabilities from Holy Orders.

JR 🙂
 
JReducation said:
We have seven Brothers in our parish. Three of the Brothers are also priests, but two of them are physically disabled, including the pastor. They are very holy men. They have turned the parish around in the 25 years that they have been here.

How are these two men going to distribute communion at an altar rail one in a wheel chair and the other on two canes. They choose a spot and and the faithful come to them.

The priest on canes has to nold both canes and the Blessed Sacrament. It’s quite a juggling act. He has one of the other Brothers carry the Blessed Sacrament for him until he reaches his spot, then leans on his canes so he can distribute communion.

Are we going to put such men out to pasture? That’s not fair. They’re not the only priests with disabilities. As priests get older than they did in the past, because people are living longer, we have many older priests who don’t have the physical stamina to walk back and forth along a communion rail, not to mention priests with disabilities.

One of the things that the NO made possible was the ordination of men with disabilities, because the sanctuaries and churches were simpler in their design with less steps and less walking around.

I don’t want to go back to excluding men with disabilities from Holy Orders.

JR 🙂
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Should men be ordained who may have lost several fingers? Some are not fit to be priests because the physically cannot do what is required. I’m sure these priests are holy, and this situation is very saddening. However, there are other things they could do that would help the parish aside from offering Mass and distributing Communion. We all have crosses to bear.😦
 
JReducation said:
We have seven Brothers in our parish. Three of the Brothers are also priests, but two of them are physically disabled, including the pastor. They are very holy men. They have turned the parish around in the 25 years that they have been here.

How are these two men going to distribute communion at an altar rail one in a wheel chair and the other on two canes. They choose a spot and and the faithful come to them.

The priest on canes has to nold both canes and the Blessed Sacrament. It’s quite a juggling act. He has one of the other Brothers carry the Blessed Sacrament for him until he reaches his spot, then leans on his canes so he can distribute communion.

Are we going to put such men out to pasture? That’s not fair. They’re not the only priests with disabilities. As priests get older than they did in the past, because people are living longer, we have many older priests who don’t have the physical stamina to walk back and forth along a communion rail, not to mention priests with disabilities.

One of the things that the NO made possible was the ordination of men with disabilities, because the sanctuaries and churches were simpler in their design with less steps and less walking around.

I don’t want to go back to excluding men with disabilities from Holy Orders.

JR 🙂
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I am with you 100% on this. Those who want the past, seem to have forgotten the abuses of the past. it tends to be like that with most people. Are we just showing our humanness.
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
laudamus_te said:
I feel the same as I felt about the Washington DC Mass. And, unfortunately, Our Lord was mocked once again by Guiliani. Was he a special invitee? What a travesty! I pity our poor Lord, who bears such abuse with such patience. I fear that patience must be wearing thin, and we will all suffer the consequences of His just anger.
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WHAT AN ABOMINATION! I’d love to turn that man over my knee and beat him to a pulp!
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
I am with you 100% on this. Those who want the past, seem to have forgotten the abuses of the past. it tends to be like that with most people. Are we just showing our humanness.
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B
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And there are those today who seem to forget that many “wonderful” changes have empowered the abuses that already existed, and created more. Humanness these days is painfully obvious.
 
latinmasslover said:
Should men be ordained who may have lost several fingers? Some are not fit to be priests because the physically cannot do what is required. I’m sure these priests are holy, and this situation is very saddening. However, there are other things they could do that would help the parish aside from offering Mass and distributing Communion. We all have crosses to bear.😦
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To ask a pries to stop celebrating mass because he can’t distribute communion using a communion rail when he can just stand in one spot and have the faithful stand before him is the most unthoughtful and legalistic nonsense that I have ever heard.

If their Major Religiouis Superior found them to be qualified to be aordained it was because God called them.

To take that way from them just to comply with a rule that can be dispensed it absurd, not to mention uncatholic.

JR 🙂
 
latinmasslover said:
WHAT AN ABOMINATION! I’d love to turn that man over my knee and beat him to a pulp!
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Being that Jesus, on the cross said, “Father forgive them, they know not what they do,”, I wonder what he would feel like doing. Are we not to try and conduct our lives as would Jesus, or was Thomas Merton all wrong when he wrote “The Imitation of Christ”. .
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
Being that Jesus, on the cross said, “Father forgive them, they know not what they do,”, I wonder what he would feel like doing. Are we not to try and conduct our lives as would Jesus, or was Thomas Merton all wrong when he wrote “The Imitation of Christ”. .
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B
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I think you’ll find it was Thomas a Kempis who wrote ‘Imitation of Christ’, but otherwise quite right.

Remember, people, the Council of Trent taught that the Church is incapable of proposing a liturgical practice that can lead the faithful into impiety. They’ve expressly permitted Communion in the Hand, ergo in and of itself it is NOT a practice that can lead the faithful into impiety.

Abuses are just that - things like liturgical dance and clown Masses do possibly lead the faithful into impiety but they’ve never at any stage been proposed or even condoned by the Church. Unlike Communion in the Hand, however the practice may’ve begun.
 
LilyM said:
I think you’ll find it was Thomas a Kempis who wrote ‘Imitation of Christ’, but otherwise quite right.
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At least I got Thomas correct…Thanks
Remember, people, the Council of Trent taught that the Church is incapable of proposing a liturgical practice that can lead the faithful into impiety. They’ve expressly permitted Communion in the Hand, ergo in and of itself it is NOT a practice that can lead the faithful into impiety.
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Yet these are the same people who claim only that which is from Trent is correct.
Abuses are just that - things like liturgical dance and clown Masses do possibly lead the faithful into impiety but they’ve never at any stage been proposed or even condoned by the forums.catholic Church.
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Unlike Communion in the Hand, however the practice may’ve begun.
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I take it here you are talking about liturgical dance and clown masses. The last ones I saw were in the 70’s. They have not taken place here since then that I am aware. i am assuming that they are on the way out. praise the Lord.
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
wow said:
I watched the Pope celebrate Mass in New York this morning. I couldn’t help but notice that the majority of recipients received the body of Christ in the hand, from the Pope.

Just curious, I’d like to know your thoughts on this.
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It has been over forty years since it was the common practice for Catholics to receive the Host on the tongue. I see no problem with receiving Christ’s Body either way. One is still showing one believes. If it is okay with the Pope it is okay with me. 😃 Peace.
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
I take it here you are talking about liturgical dance and clown masses. The last ones I saw were in the 70’s. They have not taken place here since then that I am aware. i am assuming that they are on the way out. praise the Lord.
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B
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I just thank the Lord that most Australians are rather shy about doing anything in public that overtly screams ‘performance’, so neither has been a big deal in this country. I recall only one or two at most examples of liturgical dance from schooldays in the 80s, and no clown Masses at all.
 
laudamus_te said:
And looks can be deceiving. The fact that the Pope did nothing to prevent pro-abortion “Catholics” Kerry, Pelosi and Kennedy (who even had the Body of Christ brought to him in his seat) from receiving Communion must indicate that he approves of Catholics being pro-choice.
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I see no difficulty in receiving the Host on either the tongue, or in the hand. I do think if one wants to receive the Host on the tongue, the priest would give it to you in this way. Ditto in the hand.

But I do have difficulty, after being reminded above, about pro-choice public personages like Kerry, Pelosi and Kennedy receiving communion. I cannot think of the wording right now. I know we should not bear false witness, but isn’t there a command about “being” a false witness?? Peace.
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
I take it here you are talking about liturgical dance and clown masses. The last ones I saw were in the 70’s. They have not taken place here since then that I am aware. i am assuming that they are on the way out. praise the Lord.
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B
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This may surprise you but I’ve seen choreography done in good taste at several Masses recently. One was performed during the singing of Peter Jones’ “Glory to God.” What exactly is wrong with that? I was waiting for applause but I heard none. Who are we to say it wasn’t done for the greater glory of God? After all it is scripturally based. (At least that was what they said in the movie "Footloose.🙂 )

Besides, would you think the Pope would say something if liturgical dancing were performed at one of his Masses? I don’t.
 
latinmasslover said:
Should men be ordained who may have lost several fingers? Some are not fit to be priests because the physically cannot do what is required. I’m sure these priests are holy, and this situation is very saddening. However, there are other things they could do that would help the parish aside from offering Mass and distributing Communion. We all have crosses to bear.😦
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What a disturbing response. Being fit to be a priest has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with a man’s physical sturdiness. You should be ashamed of yourself for even suggesting such a thing. Pray the Lord forgives such insensitivities and hardheartednesses from those who claim to love and serve him. 😦

Blessed are the hands that bring us the Body and Blood of our Lord!
 
latinmasslover said:
I think he’s waiting for guidance from the Holy Ghost as to *how *to go about abolishing this practice.
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This is a possibility that should be considered. It is why it is wrong to jump to conclusions about what the Holy Father thinks based on observations from this visit. He will act with prudence over haste. Also, one thing that radiates every time he speaks, is his peaceful, loving soul.
 
JReducation said:
To ask a pries to stop celebrating mass because he can’t distribute communion using a communion rail when he can just stand in one spot and have the faithful stand before him is the most unthoughtful and legalistic nonsense that I have ever heard.

If their Major Religiouis Superior found them to be qualified to be aordained it was because God called them.

To take that way from them just to comply with a rule that can be dispensed it absurd, not to mention uncatholic.

JR 🙂
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Actually, it’s not unCatholic. Some people cannot do certain things. I would love to be a soldier, or a priest. Guess what? God created me a woman, therefore those options are out. I can moan and groan about it not being fair, but that’s just the way it is. It’s just as ridiculous for me to whine about that as it is for a man to picket the Vatican because he can’t give birth to children. A person wants to be a doctor, but let’s say their missing a couple fingers. A man wants to be a fireman but he’s too weak to run with his gear. A police officer with no aim (which doesn’t get better). A teacher with no patience. A 300 pound exercise instructer. A colonel who’s never been in battle. There are requirements everywhere, desire doesn’t cut it. Look in the Scriptures, where Jesus heals a man and that man wants to abandon all to follow Him. Jesus doesn’t allow it. Just because the desire is there doesn’t mean that one is called to -----whatever it is they want to do. Some need to accept their limitations and do what they can, not require exceptions to be made to fit their wants. I’m not saying the brothers mentioned have that mentality, as I’m sure they don’t. What they do is permitted, and I’m sure they’re very greatful for that. Why do Catholics feel the need to give in to every desire these days?!

Where do the exceptions stop? Should Rome permit confession over the phone? Why not permit us to fulfill our Sunday obligation by watching Mass on EWTN? Women priests? Married priests? Gay priests? Mass outside because building a church is too inconvenient? We need to think ahead and look at where an action will lead.
 
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