“The Principle” Interview With Dr. Wolfgang Smith Galileo Was Wrong

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Some years ago there was an extensive thread on geocentric theory. It seemed to me pointless, though I participated in it. Studying revived geocentric theory frankly makes as much sense to me as resurrecting phlogiston theory.
 
The Axis of Evil needs to be explained.

“But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That’s crazy. We’re looking out at the whole universe. There’s no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun — the plane of the earth around the sun — the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe.” Lawrence Krauss
 
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“I can construct [for] you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations. You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using hilosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.” George Ellis
 
Explained in the book.

You really think none of this was considered?
Unless you can provide a reference that succinctly explains why this objection is not relevant (as already asked) I don’t think you are going to get any further traction here.
 
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THE MYTH OF GALILEO
I think that the article you referred to is totally wrong. It claims that Galileo made efforts to cram Copernicanism down the throats of his fellow scientists. This is an unsupported, ludicrous statement.
 
Nope. Check further.
Before anyone does any checking, you have not responded to the condemnation of Galileo by the Holy Office as quoted above:"…have rendered yourself in the judgment of this Holy Office vehemently suspected of heresy, namely, of having believed and held the doctrine—which is false and contrary to the sacred and divine Scriptures—that the Sun is the center of the world and does not move from east to west and that the Earth moves and is not the center of the world…"
 
Actually, he was in trouble for treating the theory like it was a fact.
Which theory? What fact?

Galieo was condemned because “he held the doctrine that the Sun is the center of the world and does not move from east to west and that the Earth moves and is not the center of the world”. If this is not the same as “for saying the Earth goes round the Sun”, then I’d like someone to explain how.
 
If you are in an international airplane at take off you are travelling at what velocity and momentum? The answer is you are not travelling at all, you are just sitting comfortably in a seat, (depending on your relaxed state of flying), you are just part of a system which is travelling. If the whole system is travelling, there is no velocity or momentum against that system.
 
I cannot place earth right at the center, I need to include a slight off center so I can explain tidal actions, without pretending the moon can have such mystical I mean scientific powers of persuasion.
 
University of Michigan Paper
THE ODDLY QUIET UNIVERSE: HOW THE CMB CHALLENGES
COSMOLOGY’S STANDARD MODEL
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I have to say I’m often impressed by Buffalo’s skill in discovering scientific papers which support, however tentatively, his argument. However, I think that this paper quoted above, and Buffalo’s dumping of it on the table in front of us as if the very action of putting it there was enough to prove something, and the film “The Principle”, illustrate only too well both the strength of Science, and the weakness of the Creationist argument, based on nothing more than the Old Testament.

Science is not just a collection of observations. It is a coherent and comprehensive explanation for those observations. And to that I will add that Science is also self-correcting.

Its coherence and comprehensiveness means that any discovery must either be patched neatly into all the rest of science before it can become accepted, or that every scientific discovery previously accepted must be rejected or modified to accommodate the new idea. Such a paradigm change has happened very rarely in human history, and, as the body of science grows, is likely to happen more and more rarely in the future. The discovery of the heliocentric universe was one such. The discovery of evolution another, and I would venture to suggest the overthrow of the phlogiston theory a third. (Neat, eh? One from Physics, one from Biology and one from Chemistry - no doubt someone will suggest more which will spoil the symmetry!)

The remarkable discovery, based on apparently sound observations, of the orientation of the Cosmic Background Radiation with the plane of the Solar System, gave everybody pause. Lawrence Krauss, after the much quoted statement above, went on to say:
The new results are either telling us that all of science is wrong and we’re the center of the universe, or maybe the data is imply incorrect, or maybe it’s telling us there’s something weird about the microwave background results and that maybe, maybe there’s something wrong with our theories on the larger scales. And of course as a theorist I’m certainly hoping it’s the latter, because I want theory to be wrong, not right, because if it’s wrong there’s still work left for the rest of us.
There is much to comment on in that quote, but the most important thing is that, when faced with anomalies, Science looks for explanations. Maybe Science is wrong. Maybe the observations were wrong. Maybe the conclusions drawn from the observations were wrong. The paper above, by Starkman et al. came out in 2012, and stimulated further research, although the data behind it had already been re-examined in some detail. It had already been found seriously wanting even by the time The Principle came out in 2014, and is now comprehensively discredited. See, in particular, the work of Hao Liu and colleagues, who have found independent evidence that the WMAP data is faulty.
 
I think your takeoff example fails as speed is not constant…
Acceleration is not relative is it? You can feel it and you aren’t sitting comfortably…regardless of what speed the runway is or isn’t doing.
 
Unless you can provide a reference that succinctly explains why this objection is not relevant (as already asked) I don’t think you are going to get any further traction here
There is over 1000 pages of formula and illustrations. Read it and then we can discuss.

In the end you will find worldview is how people choose. It is a shock to many to find how they were educated was by academic worldview. That is breaking apart now.
 
Planck Satellite Confirms WMAP Findings: Universe is not Copernican
The Modern World is Faced with the Breach of a Far Reaching Paradigm

Most cosmologists will not admit it publicly, but perhaps over a beer they would tell you what is happening. Observations over the last 50 years, culminating with the Planck satellite results (March 2013) set modern science on a counter revolution leading closer to ideas formed 500 years ago. Today’s cosmology is based on two broad principles: The Copernican Principle (we are not in a special place in the universe) and the Cosmological Principle (The Copernican Principle, plus isotropy- the view from anywhere in the universe looks about the same).

 
Exoplanet Census Suggests Earth Is Special after All

A new tally proposes that roughly 700 quintillion terrestrial exoplanets are likely to exist across the observable universe—most vastly different from Earth

 
Exoplanet Census Suggests Earth Is Special after All

A new tally proposes that roughly 700 quintillion terrestrial exoplanets are likely to exist across the observable universe—most vastly different from Earth
Says nothing about the sun revolving around the Earth. It is, after all, Scientific American.
Of course, neither do the other two stories linked above it.
 
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Says nothing about the sun revolving around the Earth. It is, after all, Scientific American.

Of course, neither do the other two stories linked above it.
Actually the Principle movie shows that the Copernican principle is at issue and that the earth occupies a more important place than thought.
 
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