1,200-year-old Egyptian text describes a shape-shifting Jesus [NBC News]

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Never ceases to amaze me…

ALIENS, Shapeshifters, Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, Mayan Code, Ghosts, UFOs, Elvis sightings…:whacky:
All absolutely possible and probable.:newidea:

Miracles, God, Creation, Resurrection…:highprayer:
AW C’MON, YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT?!!?:rolleyes:

What a crazy age we live in.
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Shape shifting makes me think of Twilight’s natives from NW Washington who could change shape into wolves and chase the vampires out.
 
Read more here: science.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/12/17286044-1200-year-old-egyptian-text-describes-a-shape-shifting-jesus?lite

Well, this is one of the more interesting (and dare I say, entertaining?) apocryphal texts! As it came from Egypt around 800 AD, what factors do you think may have influenced its fantastical stories?
Islam, in all likelihood, which believes that Jesus was not crucified too. The question is whether Mohammad based his revelation on this writing or that this writing was a result of Islamic belief. Unless we know the date of the writing, it would be most likely the latter.
 
Islam, in all likelihood, which believes that Jesus was not crucified too. The question is whether Mohammad based his revelation on this writing or that this writing was a result of Islamic belief. Unless we know the date of the writing, it would be most likely the latter.
This is very true, and jakasaki did a very good job emphasizing this.

But at the same time: you don’t have a shape-shifting or (at times) incorporeal Jesus in Islam. Let’s assume that this text is post-Islam, and thus during Islamic Egypt. Could it be a hybrid Gnostic-Islam? If so, how did Gnosticism survive in a Muslim-dominated area?

I personally find this fascinating, historically.
 
That is just way too far out for me to believe, but I know there are some out there that will…:confused:
 
This is very true, and jakasaki did a very good job emphasizing this.

But at the same time: you don’t have a shape-shifting or (at times) incorporeal Jesus in Islam. Let’s assume that this text is post-Islam, and thus during Islamic Egypt. Could it be a hybrid Gnostic-Islam? If so, how did Gnosticism survive in a Muslim-dominated area?

I personally find this fascinating, historically.
Jasaki is one of the few posters here who has good knowledge of Islam.👍

Surah 4:157 has resulted in many speculations as to how that came about and what actually happened then. All in all, it is a poor verse in brushing off the Lord’s crucifixion.

I would go for the post-Islam text to justify Islamic belief but more so, most of the information available for Mohammad was hearsays. Not sure about Gnostic Islam but surely there would be no short of so-called scholars who would do anything to rebut the Bible narrative of the crucifixion for the benefit of the fledgling Islam in a mainly Christian population then.
 
I’ll post a more in-depth answer later, but for the moment I will say this. The idea of Jesus being able to change His form at will (or at least, look different to different people) is an idea found among some early Christians.
 
I’ll post a more in-depth answer later, but for the moment I will say this. The idea of Jesus being able to change His form at will (or at least, look different to different people) is an idea found among some early Christians.
Can’t dispute that, Jesus being Jesus. He did disappear into the thin crowd when they were about to stone him for blasphemy. Did he change his appearance to merge into the crowd or simply disappeared? Nevertheless, it would be a contradiction to his mission if he should escape the crucifixion.
 
Pilate having dinner with Jesus!
Well that’s interesting. Would have liked to have had a tape recorder running for* that* tete-a-tete.

This one sounds similar to the many writings among the gospels/scriptures that were not allowed in the canon. Kept out because the stories/beliefs didn’t fit well.

But to me and to many, the details and events here don’t sound any more unrealistic or fantastic than the stories presented in the canon.
At least not even John’s Jesus could rival the highly-arcane Jesus of the Books of Jeu. 😉
 
This stuff sounds like it came out of the Islamic book the Quran.

Jesus came to life with his body and was raised with his body.Obviously, if the Christians had any knowledge of the truth, they would not have given so many different versions of it.

Source taken from an Islamic site.

searchtruth.com/tafsir/tafsir.php?chapter=4
I think the part I bolded is lacking proper analysis. What different versions? The fact that Jesus was crucified was NEVER in doubt by the “different versions”.

As for the OP subject, just because it’s 1200 years old doesn’t mean it’s authentic. :rolleyes:

MJ
 
Okay, as promised:

Some early Christians held the idea that Jesus could change His form at will, or at least that different people perceive Him differently from each other. Origen, for instance (Against Celsus 2.64), believed that Jesus appeared to individuals differently according to their need or ability to understand Him. He appealed to certain details in Scripture which he thought supported the idea that Jesus could not always be recognized: Judas had to give a sign to those who came to arrest Jesus (Matthew 26:48); though Jesus had always been preaching in the Temple, no one had arrested Him then (Matthew 26:5); Jesus was transformed before Peter, James, and John (Matthew 17:2).

Although Jesus was only a single individual, He was nevertheless more things than one, according to the different standpoint from which He might be regarded; nor was He seen in the same way by all who beheld Him. Now, that He was more things than one, according to the varying point of view, is clear from this statement, I* am the way, and the truth, and the life*; and from this, I am the bread; and this, I am the door, and innumerable others. And that when seen He did not appear in like fashion to all those who saw Him, but according to their several ability to receive Him, will be clear to those who notice why, at the time when He was about to be transfigured on the high mountain, He did not admit all His apostles (to this sight), but only Peter, and James, and John, because they alone were capable of beholding His glory on that occasion, and of observing the glorified appearance of Moses and Elijah, and of listening to their conversation, and to the voice from the heavenly cloud. I am of opinion, too, that before He ascended the mountain where His disciples came to Him alone, and where He taught them the beatitudes, when He was somewhere in the lower part of the mountain, and when, as it became late, He healed those who were brought to Him, freeing them from all sickness and disease, He did not appear the same person to the sick, and to those who needed His healing aid, as to those who were able by reason of their strength to go up the mountain along with Him. Nay, even when He interpreted privately to His own disciples the parables which were delivered to the multitudes without, from whom the explanation was withheld, as they who heard them explained were endowed with higher organs of hearing than they who heard them without explanation, so was it altogether the same with the eyes of their soul, and, I think, also with those of their body. And the following statement shows that He had not always the same appearance, viz., that Judas, when about to betray Him, said to the multitudes who were setting out with him, as not being acquainted with Him, Whomsoever I shall kiss, the same is He. And I think that the Saviour Himself indicates the same thing by the words: I was daily with you, teaching in the temple, and you laid no hold on Me. Entertaining, then, such exalted views regarding Jesus, not only with respect to the Deity within, and which was hidden from the view of the multitude, but with respect to the transfiguration of His body, which took place when and to whom He would, we say, that before Jesus had put off the governments and powers, and while as yet He was not dead unto sin, all men were capable of seeing Him; but that, when He had put off the governments and powers, and had no longer anything which was capable of being seen by the multitude, all who had formerly seen Him were not now able to behold Him. And therefore, sparing them, He did not show Himself to all after His resurrection from the dead.

He was responding to the Platonist philosopher Celsus, who had claimed that if Jesus were truly divine, He would have looked different from other men: He would have looked handsome, but he (Celsus) had heard that Jesus was short and ugly. Origen countered that Celsus knew only Isaiah 53:2 (“without form or comeliness”), and proceeded to invoke Psalm 45:2 (“fairest among the sons of men”). For Origen, both passages are correct: Jesus’ physical appearance has so many variations and is so capable of transformation, at one time possessing beauty, and at another time having an ignoble form. Thus He is both free and able to appear in different guises, including that of judge and mother, as we are free to envision Christ in these different ways. For Origen, the ability to assume another form was not limited to the incarnate or the resurrected Jesus: the Logos is polymorphous and transpersonal both prior to and after the incarnation and the resurrection. This changeability is a sign of Jesus’ divinity, and is a mystery beyond mortal comprehension.

Origen’s fellow Alexandrian, Clement of Alexandria, even opined that Jesus’ body was incapable of feeling any pleasure or pain. In fact, He never really needed to eat, but He did so anyway in order to keep up appearances. At first, this sounds much like docetism, but note that Clement argues that Jesus ate precisely so that people would not hold docetic thoughts about Him (Stromata 6.9).

The Gnostic is such, that he is subject only to the affections that exist for the maintenance of the body, such as hunger, thirst, and the like. But in the case of the Saviour, it were ludicrous [to suppose] that the body, as a body, demanded the necessary aids in order to its duration. For He ate, not for the sake of the body, which was kept together by a holy energy, but in order that it might not enter into the minds of those who were with Him to entertain a different opinion of Him; in like manner as certainly some afterwards supposed that He appeared in a phantasmal shape. But He was entirely impassible; inaccessible to any movement of feeling— either pleasure or pain.
 
We can see this idea in some early literature, mainly from gnostic or docetic sources but also at times from orthodox ones as well. The Sethian Gospel of Judas (ca. late 2nd century), for instance, notes:

When Jesus appeared on earth, he performed signs and great wonders for the salvation of humanity. And since some walked in the path of righteousness while others walked in their transgressions, the twelve disciples were called. He began to speak with them about the otherworldly mysteries beyond the cosmos and what would take place hereafter. Now often he would not reveal himself to his disciples, but among them you would find him as a child.

The Acts of John (late 2nd century), in its overtly docetic section, has the following (87-90):

… Now those who were present inquired about the cause, and were especially perplexed because Drusiana has said, “The Lord appeared to me in the tomb in the form of John and in that of a young man.” So since they were perplexed and in some ways not yet established in the faith, John took it patiently and said,

“Men and brethren, you have experienced nothing strange or incredible in your perception of the , since even we whom he chose to be his apostles have suffered many temptations; and I cannot speak or write to you the things which I have seen and heard. Yet now I must adapt myself to your hearing and according to each man’s capacity I will communicate to you those things whereof you are able to become hearers, that you may see the glory that surrounds him that was and is both now and evermore.

“For when he had chosen Peter and Andrew, who were brothers, he came to me and to my brother James, saying, ‘I need you, come with me!’ And my brother said this to me, ‘John, what does he want, this child on the shore who called us?’ And I said, ‘Which child?’ And he answered me, ‘The one who is beckoning to us.’ And I said, “This is because of the long watch we kept at sea. You are not seeing straight, brother James. Do you not see the man standing there who is handsome, fair, and cheerful-looking?’ But he said to me, ‘I do not see that man, my brother. But let us go, and we will see what this means.’

“And when we had brought the boat to land we saw how he also helped us to beach the boat. And as we left the place, wishing to follow him, he appeared to me again as rather bald- but with a thick flowing beard, but to James as a young man whose beard was just beginning. So we wondered both of us about the meaning of the vision we had seen. Then as we both followed him we became gradually perplexed about this matter.

But then there appeared to me a yet more amazing sight; I tried to see him as he was, and I never saw his eyes closing, but always open. But he sometimes appeared to me as a small man with no good looks, and then again as looking up to heaven. And he had another strange (property); when I reclined at table he would take me to his own breast, and I held him (fast); and sometimes his breast felt to me smooth and soft, but sometimes hard like rock, so that I was perplexed in my (mind) and said, ‘Why do I find it so?’ And as I thought about it, he…”

“Another time he took me and James and Peter to the mountain where he used to pray, and we saw him a light such that a man, who uses mortal speech, cannot describe what it was like. Again he took us three likewise up the mountain, saying, ‘Come with me.’ And again we went; and we saw him at a distance praying. Then I, since he loved me, went quietly up to him, as if he could not see, and stood looking at his hinder parts; and I saw him not dressed in clothes at all, but stripped of those we (usually) saw (upon him), and not like a man at all. (And I saw that) his feet were whiter than snow, so that the ground there was lit up by his feet; and that his head stretched up to heaven, so that I was afraid and cried out; and he, turning about, appeared as a small man and caught hold of my beard and pulled it and said to me, ‘John, do not be faithless, but believing, and not inquisitive.’ And I said to him, ‘Why, Lord, what have I done?’ But I tell you, my brethren, that I suffered such pain for thirty days in the place where he touched my beard, that I said to him, ‘Lord, if your playful tug has caused such pain, what (would it be) if you had dealt me a blow?’ And he said to me, ‘Let it be your concern from now on not to tempt him that cannot be tempted.’”
 
By contrast, the Acts of Peter is slightly more closer to Origen’s and Clement’s idea:

And Peter went into the dining-room and saw that the gospel was being read. So he rolled up (the book) and said, ‘You men who believe and hope in Christ, you must know how the holy scriptures of our Lord should be declared. What we have written by his grace, so far as we were able, although it seems weak to you as yet, yet (we have written) according to our powers, so far as it is endurable to be implanted in human flesh. We should therefore first learn to know the will of God, or (his) goodness; for when error was in full flood and many thousands of men were plunging to destruction, the Lord in his mercy was moved to show himself in another shape and to be seen in the form of a man, on whom neither the Jews nor we were worthy to be enlightened. For each one of us saw (him) as he was able, as he had power to see.

‘And now will I explain to you what has just been read to you. Our Lord, wished me to see his majesty in the holy mountain; but when I with the sons of Zebedee saw the brilliance of his light, I fell as one dead, and closed my eyes and heard his voice, such as I cannot describe, and thought that I had been blinded by his radiance. And recovering my breath a little I said to myself, “Perhaps my Lord willed to bring me here to deprieve me of my sight.” And I said, “If this be you will, Lord, I do not gainsay it.” And he gave me his hand and lifted me up. And when I stood up I saw him in such a form as I was able to take in.

‘So, my dearest brethren, as God as merciful, he has borne our weaknesses and carried our sins, as the prophet says, “He beareth our sins and is afflicted for us; yet we thought him to be afflicted and stricken with wounds.” For “he is in the Father and the Father in him”; he also is himself the fullness of all majesty, who has shown us all his goodness. He ate and drank for our sakes, though himself without hunger or thirst; he bore and suffered reproaches for our sakes; he died and rose again because of us. He who defended me also when I sinned and strengthened me with his greatness, will also comfort you that you may love him, this (God) who is both great and little, beautiful and ugly, young and old, appearing in time and yet in eternity wholly invisible; whom no human hand has grasped, yet is held by his servants, whom no flesh has seen, yet now he is seen; who no hearing has found yet now he is known as the word that is heard; whom no suffering can reach, yet now is (chastened) as we are; who was never chastened, yet now is chastened; who is before the world, yet now is comprehended in time; the beginning greater than all princedom, yet now delivered to the princes; beauteous, yet appearing among us as poor and ugly, yet foreseeing; this Jesus you have, brethren, the door, the light, the way, the bread, the water, the life, the resurrection, the refreshment, the pearl, the treasure, the seed, the abundance, the mustard-seed, the vine, the plough, the grace, the faith, the word: He is all things, and there is no other greater than he. To him be praise for ever and ever. Amen.’
 
I think the Egyptian text we’re talking about here in this thread is a Coptic homily written by an anonymous author from the 7th-8th century claiming to be St. Cyril of Jerusalem (Pseudo-Cyril) known as On the Life and the Passion of Christ.

“How shall we arrest him, for he does not have a single shape but his appearance changes? Sometimes he is ruddy, sometimes he is white, sometimes he is red, sometimes he is wheat-coloured, sometimes he is pallid like ascetics, sometimes he is a youth, sometimes an old man, sometimes his hair is straight and black, sometimes it is curled, sometimes he is tall, sometimes he is short. In one word, we have never seen him in one and the same appearance.”

Judas answered and said to the chief priests: “Come, pay me the rest of the money and I shall tell you everything. For you know that except for this man’s friend nobody is able to deliver him up to affliction, because no stranger knows his manner of life.” Then the Jews paid him the rest of the money and he told them the way he would deliver him to them, and he said: “Jesus will make preparations to eat the unleavened bread, too, like all of the people, and it is for this reason that he has come to the city. Therefore, prepare good weapons, for there are some among his disciples who are outstanding warriors, and prepare good torches. Since you said to me: ‘We have never seen him in a single shape,’ this is the sign which I shall give to those who will follow me: He whom I shall kiss on his mouth and embrace and to whom I shall say: ‘Hail rabbi!’ he is your man. Arrest him!” As he, then, had said this to the Jews, he took the rest of the money, went to his home and gave it to his wicked wife. He said to her: “Behold, the total of the price of my master!” Then she was very pleased and said to him: “Excellent that you came home today with a better result than on all (other) days. In truth, when you listen to me, I shall make you deliver Mary too, and Peter and John, and then all the apostles.”

Then Jesus said to his disciples: “Oh my brethren, in truth, there is something in my heart which I want to tell you. But come, let me assure you that I am able to escape from everything which is about to befall me; and I know the things that will happen before they do happen. Arise, and let us pray to my Father.” When we, then, prayed, the whole mountain shook beneath us. We were afraid and looked and saw the Saviour like a column of fire, and his feet were with us on the mountain, but his head reached to the sky, and he was entirely on fire. And we were like the dead, our whole body trembled and we did not know what happened. Afterwards the Saviour raised all of us, who were like the dead, and we saw him in the shape of his humanity, whereas his invisibility, which actually is his divinity, was hidden within him. Then our Saviour released us from our fear and spoke with us about what would happen to us and about how we would preach.

Again he began to be grieved and to be gloomy of heart and he said to them: “I have longed with desire to eat this passover with you before I die. Oh my brethren, I bid you farewell, for yet a little while I am with you and yet a little while you see me; yet a little while until you are grieved and weep, and again a little while until you laugh. For as to me, I am a stranger to this world, I have come to those who are mine, who are in the world until I redeem them.”

As Jesus, then, had said this, he went out with his disciples across the brook Kedron, where there was a garden which he entered with his disciples. But Judas also knew that place because Jesus had often met there with his disciples, and he knew that Peter and John had prepared the passover there so that he might eat it with his disciples. As it, then, had become evening on the third day of the week, the eleventh of the month and the eleventh of the moon, when the day of the moon coincided with the day of the month, and as they ate, Jesus took a bread, blessed it, and said to them: “Take it and eat of it.” And in the same way, he also took a cup, mingled it and gave it to them, saying: “Take it and drink of it, all of you.” And as they ate he said to them: “In this night all of you will fall into sin because of me. Oh, behold, my soul is grieved to death.”

BTW, another homily (this time undated) also attributed to St. Cyril of Jerusalem (Homily on the Resurrection and the Passion) makes the same explanation as to why Judas was needed:

He had given them a sign, saying: ‘The one whom I shall embrace and kiss is your man.’ He, then, said this because they did not know him. For sometimes he is white, but another time he has the colour of wheat, sometimes he is a young man, another time he is a man of advanced age, sometimes his hair is curly, another time it is long, sometimes he speaks, another time he is silent, in short, he never permitted them to know him.
 
Continuing the Judas segment because it’s very interesting storytelling right here:

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As he, then had said this, he said to his disciples: “Arise, let us go out of this place, for behold, the dragon has mingled a cup of poison, he has given it to the children of Israel and has induced them to seek to kill me.” Then Jesus took the eleven and went out to the mountain. Judas, for his part, took swords and torched and went out at the great hour and withdrew from the crowd in order to go to the garden. But Jesus knew the hearts of the Jews and saw that the disciples were afraid, and he also knew that Judas would seek to deliver up Mary, too, and receive her price. For that reason he did not take her with him to the mountain but left her in the garden where they had eaten the passover. You know that I said a little earlier that Judas’ wife had told him: “I shall make you deliver Mary too, and all the apostles.” But Jesus knew the heart of everyone, and left Mary hidden.

He took the apostles, went out to the mountain, left them sleeping, went away, prayed, came back to them and found them asleep with grief. He said to them: “Arise, pray that you may not come into temptation.” Jesus then, knew that his hour had come, that he would go away from here and go to the Father. He withdrew a little from the apostles. Judas, then, came with the crowd. He stopped in embarrassment at the head of the crowd. Jesus said: “Friend, do what you have come for!” Judas kissed him guilefully.

Then Jesus said to Judas: “Would you deliver the Son of Man with a kiss? Really, it would have been better for you not to have been born than to have done this. Do I not know what is in your heart from the time that you followed me, namely that you are a traitor? But I have endured you until your end comes to you badly. Do I not know the hour you went to the chief priests and made an arrangement with them to hand me over to death for thirty silver pieces? Oh, woe to you with a twofold woe, oh Judas, traitor and shameless one, your end has come for you badly. Oh Judas, you will die without sickness, your body will not be worthy a burial, your soul will not walk in the light but in the darkness. Your name will not be given to anyone into eternity. When people give your name to their sons, they will not live but will be cursed before me for three generations. Behold, they will put me on the wood at the sixth hour of Great Preparation Day of the Great Week of the Pascha. But you will throttle yourself with a snare and you will hang yourself on a tree, namely a tamarisk. And there will be no mercy for you because of what you have done, but your punishment will be twofold: your fire will not be quenched nor will your worm die when you are tortured. Oh Judas, great is your fall. …”

Jesus then also lays a curse on Judas’ wife: “she will not live to eat from my price but she will get the burning diarrhoea.” The crowd then comes to arrest Jesus, and Peter defends Jesus by striking the high priest’s servant in the ear. The author then explains how “Christ did not want Saint Peter to shed blood but he obliged the desire of the apostle: he struck, but he did not commit murder.”

You know, oh my beloved sons, that no murder occurred in this fight. But look at the hierophant Moses: when he struck the Egyptian he actually struck him with a papyrus scroll, and he died. How many times the devil has quarreled with the archangel about this event, and behold, until the present day the devil calls him the prophet-killer, although it is not with a sword that he struck but with a papyrus. Therefore Christ made Peter hit his shoulder: he did not act in vain, nor, on the other hand, did he shed blood. Therefore, Christ said to him: “Put your sword into its sheath, for all who take the sword will be killed by the sword.”

According to the news article: “and it puts the day of the arrest of Jesus on Tuesday evening rather than Thursday evening, something that contravenes the Easter timeline.” This is because the action is stretched out so that it covers the whole week, something which we will see in the author’s retelling of the trial of Jesus before the high priest.

And immediately they seized Jesus and brought him to the High Priest. As he, then saw him, he was very pleased. It was the ninth hour of the night of the third day of the week. And at dawn, early on the fourth day of the week, Jesus stood before Caiaphas. Then the High Priest highheartedly said to Jesus: “Are you the Son of God?” Jesus said to him: “You have said so.” The High Priest answered: “I adjure you by the law of Moses to speak the truth to me!” Jesus answered: “I am.” Then the High Priest tore his clothes saying: “He has spoken blasphemy.”
 
By tearing his clothes, the High Priest made himself worthy of the priesthood, for which the author refers to Leviticus 19:6 and 21:10 and an alleged practice of dishonoring a priest. The author says that he has been preaching for a long time from the Constitutions of the Apostles about what is being commemorated today, the fourth day of the week (Wednesday), on which Jesus was arrested and suffered. Jesus is scourged and beaten harshly “until he became dizzy and fell on his hip.” At Nicodemus’ insistence, the priests take Jesus before Pilate, and His appearance becomes like this:

As, then, they brought Jesus before [Pilate], he looked at him for a long time, marveling at his beauty and youth. This is his appearance: he is wheat-coloured, his hair is black, coming down to the shoulders like bunches of grapes, his nose is prominent, he has beautiful eyes, his eyebrows are joined together, his cheek are red like roses. He wears a grape-coloured tunic, he has two silver-studded adornments on his side, like a sword, and a linen garment covers him so that he looks like a royal son. Thus they brought him to Pilate, the governor.



When Pilate learns that Jesus was a Galilean, he sends Him to Herod. Jesus does not answer Herod’s question, so He was sent back with a letter advising Pilate to crucify Jesus as soon as possible. In the morning of the fifth day, Thursday, Jesus is brought again before Pilate, who wants to set Jesus free and offer Barabbas to be killed in his place.

And as Pilate had read it [the letter] he said to the Jews: “You have a law; on every feast I release someone from prison, whom the people will elect. Come, let us persuade the crowd that I shall release Jesus. But I shall give you Barabbas on whose behalf the whole people testifies, so that you can kill him.” But as they understood that he wanted to release Jesus, they guilefully said to him: “Behold, the sun has set and not all of the people are here; behold, the hour of retirement has come, give us Jesus that we may bring him to prison until tomorrow and secure him as it pleases us, and we shall go and deliberate with the crowd and we shall act in the morning as it pleases us.” The chief priests, then, persuaded the crowd: “When the governor says to you: ‘Whom do you want to release to you?’ say with one voice: ‘Barabbas!’” And they came to an agreement with each other, and one after another went to his home.

Pilate, then, stood surety for Jesus until the morning, and he went into the dining-room and said to Jesus: “Truly, I want to release you but I do not know what to do with this rebellious people that wants to kill you.” Pilate said: “I have been told that you say you are a royal son.” Jesus said to him: “My Kingdom is not of this world. If my Kingdom were of this world you would find that my soldiers and my officers would be fighting for me. To be sure, you are a governor yourself and, behold, many people are soldiers in your service, but where are mine?” Pilate asked again: “I have been told that you are the Son of God.” Jesus said to him: “You have said so!”

Without further ado, Pilate prepared a table and he ate with Jesus on the fifth day of the week. And Jesus blessed Pilate and his whole house. Then Pilate said to Jesus: “Behold, I stood surety for you to the godless Jews. Well then, behold, the night has come, rise and withdraw, and when the morning comes and they accuse me because of you, I shall give them the only son I have so that they can kill him in your place.”

Jesus, however, does not agree with Pilate’s plan and asks Him to “show the letter of Herod and let them read it and put me on the cross as Herod has written,” because He must fulfill what has been spoken by the prophets. Then they eat dinner together served by a ten-year-old boy, “after that they went to sleep.” The next day (Friday), Pilate once again offers his son to be crucified in Jesus’ place, at which Jesus reveals His divine nature to Pilate by disappearing in front of Him - thereby showing that what is happening is entirely of His own volition:

But Jesus said to Pilate: ‘If I wished I would come to this moment. Come, sit down and see that I am able to escape.’ Pilate, then, looked at Jesus and, behold, he became incorporeal; he did not see him for a long time. After that Jesus came to him again. Pilate fainted but Jesus laid his hand upon him, and he rose and recovered his senses. Jesus said to him: ‘Have you understood that if I wish I can escape?’ Pilate said: ‘Yes, my Lord.’
 
Pilate and his wife (here named Procla) then have a dream involving eagles. Pilate sees the world being dark that nobody was able to see, during which an eagle with a “cistern of light” and a wreath on its head comes down from heaven and proclaims that the light had been given to Egypt. The Jews remained blind and crucified the eagle, while the Egyptians saw it and were amazed. Procla, meanwhile, sees an eagle standing on her couch, telling her that her lifespan will be almost equal to it. This eagle is eventually bound and beheaded. Jesus then tells Pilate the interpretation of the dream: the eagle in Pilate’s dream is Jesus, and the eagle in Procla’s dream is Pilate. The dream-visions show what would eventually happen to the three of them: Jesus will be crucified, while Pilate and his wife will die at almost the same time.

And Pilate spoke with Jesus, he informed him of the vision he had seen and of that which his wife had seen. Jesus said to him: “All the things you have said are true, they will really happen. Oh Pilate, do not prevent the Jews from killing me. This vision you have seen has a great significance. The eagle you saw is me. The darkness that was spread out upon the earth is the idol worship and all sins men commit. And the cistern you saw around me is the water of baptism with which I have baptized, and I shall make every one who believes in me to bear it. And as to this wreath upon my head and the tree upon which they put me, by this hour of tomorrow they will plait a wreath and put it upon my head and they will cut down a tree and put me upon it. And as to the light that shone on me, from the third hour of tomorrow the sun will shine on the whole people as it shines every day, until the sixth hour. Darkness will come upon the whole earth until the ninth hour, the sun will be darkened and the moon will become dark so that they do not shine upon the earth. And as to the cry uttered by the eagle, I too shall cry out: “My Father, I give my spirit into your hands.” And there will be no longer a covenant made with the Hebrews but it will be made with the Egyptians. There will not arise another prophet from the race of the Hebrews for ever. But the people I did not know have served me, and the Egyptians you saw gathering to me as I took the likeness of the eagle will build churches to worship me therein and to continue to commemorate my resurrection and to marvel at my death. Oh Pilate, as the eagle died upon a tree, so I shall die upon a cross, and also as the eagle lived, so I shall live when I die. I shall rise from the dead on the third day to redeem Adam and his children and to make him return to his origin again. That is the solution to what you saw and to what your wife saw and told you.

“The eagle which Procla saw near her couch, oh Pilate, is you. And from her birth her life-time is equal to yours, and on the day that you will die she, too, will die. Your wife will see you in the glory that will befall you and she will say: ‘Oh, that I had died with you, oh my brother Pilate!’ And before the word will leave her mouth she will fall down and die immediately, and you will be in one tomb forever. And concerning the vision that the eagle was bound, you will be bound too and you will be brought to the Emperor and he will have your neck cut off with a sword and you will become a martyr.”
 
Originally Posted by jakasaki
This stuff sounds like it came out of the Islamic book the Quran.
Jesus came to life with his body and was raised with his body.Obviously, if the Christians had any knowledge of the truth, they would not have given so many different versions of it.
Source taken from an Islamic site.
I think the part I bolded is lacking proper analysis. What different versions? The fact that Jesus was crucified was NEVER in doubt by the “different versions”.

As for the OP subject, just because it’s 1200 years old doesn’t mean it’s authentic. :rolleyes:

MJ
Yeah I know what you mean Martin. I don’t have an answer for you.

That’s what Islam teaches it’s followers.
 
Can’t dispute that, Jesus being Jesus. He did disappear into the thin crowd when they were about to stone him for blasphemy. Did he change his appearance to merge into the crowd or simply disappeared? Nevertheless, it would be a contradiction to his mission if he should escape the crucifixion.
Summarizing what I had written here, Pseudo-Cyril actually implies the opposite. Jesus transforms into a gigantic fiery column before the disciples and disappears before Pilate in order to show them that He is in control of events and could escape the crucifixion if He wanted to. He doesn’t, however, choose to do so because He must fulfill the Scriptures. So he insists that Pilate do what Herod had commanded and hand Him over to the Jews to be crucified. (Note how in this homily, the blame for Christ’s death is assigned to Herod and the Jews, while Pilate is absolved of any guilt. This would be another topic entirely, but for the moment, compare the anti-Jewish tone of this work with that of another passion narrative, the Gospel of Peter, and Melito of Sardis’ On the Passover.)
 
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