1 Corinthians 12: When are the gifts of the Holy Spirit actually given to people?

[Abba]

I have understood Paul to be saying in these passages that God give the Gifts of the Holy Spirit to all indiscriminately and I understood this to be to all of humanity throughout the ages according to His will. However, I was just reading a Melkite Catholic website and it seems as though they are saying that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are given at baptism. Can someone clarify this for me?

Saint Paul was well aware that the Holy Spirit who dwells in us is the Source of every gift we enjoy. “Do you not know that you are God’s Temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you.” (1 Cor 3/16) The Holy Spirit who seals us on the day of our baptism enters into the very depths of our being, journeys with us, and, bestows upon us a spiritual vigour and firm faith. He makes us to be children of God, and, because we are children of God we can call God Father.
melkite.org.au/page4580338.aspx

1 Corinthians 12
English Standard Version (ESV)
Spiritual Gifts

12 Now concerning[a] spiritual gifts,** brothers,[c] I do not want you to be uninformed. 2 You know that when you were pagans you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led. 3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills**

 

[Nicea325]

I have understood Paul to be saying in these passages that God give the Gifts of the Holy Spirit to all indiscriminately and I understood this to be to all of humanity throughout the ages according to His will. However, I was just reading a Melkite Catholic website and it seems as though they are saying that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are given at baptism. Can someone clarify this for me?

Saint Paul was well aware that the Holy Spirit who dwells in us is the Source of every gift we enjoy. “Do you not know that you are God’s Temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you.” (1 Cor 3/16) The Holy Spirit who seals us on the day of our baptism enters into the very depths of our being, journeys with us, and, bestows upon us a spiritual vigour and firm faith. He makes us to be children of God, and, because we are children of God we can call God Father.
melkite.org.au/page4580338.aspx

1 Corinthians 12
English Standard Version (ESV)
Spiritual Gifts

12 Now concerning[a] spiritual gifts,** brothers,[c] I do not want you to be uninformed. 2 You know that when you were pagans you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led. 3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills**

Okay, I might be jumping to fast here,but more than likely it has to do with the fact, the Eastern Rites baptize and confirm at the same time. I was confirmed two days after my baptism. The original order to receive sacraments: baptism,confirmation and eucharist.

 

[Crumpy]

What does it matter?

I’ve been studying St. Paul for a couple months, and that, for personal spirituality, not for any academic reason.

I think Paul would might say that the gifts emerge as our spirituality matures. I don’t think we can see those gifts unless one is developing spiritually. So, “given” – maybe early, maybe along the way someplace. Maybe they are not manifest until it’s time to use our gift.

 

[Todd_Easton]

The gifts of the Holy Spirit are given at Baptism, even if they are not all unwrapped until much later.

 

[Abba]

The gifts of the Holy Spirit are given at Baptism, even if they are not all unwrapped until much later.

Really?

I thought people who were not Catholic or of religions that baptize in the name of the Father and the Son and of the Holy Spirit still received the Gifts of the Holy Spirit just like they have the laws of God written in their hearts.

 

[DonMack]

Abba … I don’t know if this thread is intended just for “theological discussion” so forgive me if my comment is misplaced here. Until 5 months ago I was non-religious (for at least 50 yrs). Perhaps the Holy Spirit was in me at baptism ( age 9, baptist ). If so, it was completely ignored. The “GIFT” of the Holy Spirit was not only given to me, but it was thrust on me with such force that it was impossible to ignore. I accepted the gift and my whole life was instantly changed. It doesn’t make any difference to me if the gift was hiding in the closet or not.
Don

 

[DonMack]

Abba … I don’t know if this thread is intended just for “theological discussion” so forgive me if my comment is misplaced here. Until 5 months ago I was non-religious (for at least 50 yrs). Perhaps the Holy Spirit was in me at baptism ( age 9, baptist ). If so, it was completely ignored. The “GIFT” of the Holy Spirit was not only given to me, but it was thrust on me with such force that it was impossible to ignore. I accepted the gift and my whole life was instantly changed. I am now Christian, and will be Catholic as soon as RICA gets done with me.

 

[M-Dent]

Really?

Yes.

The Most Holy Trinity gives the baptized sanctifying grace, the grace of justification:

• enabling them to believe in God, to hope in him, and to love him through the theological virtues;

• giving them the power to live and act under the prompting of the Holy Spirit through the gifts of the Holy Spirit;

• allowing them to grow in goodness through the moral virtues.

Thus the whole organism of the Christian’s supernatural life has its roots in Baptism.

CCC 1266

 

[Abba]

Abba … I don’t know if this thread is intended just for “theological discussion” so forgive me if my comment is misplaced here. Until 5 months ago I was non-religious (for at least 50 yrs). Perhaps the Holy Spirit was in me at baptism ( age 9, baptist ). If so, it was completely ignored. The “GIFT” of the Holy Spirit was not only given to me, but it was thrust on me with such force that it was impossible to ignore. I accepted the gift and my whole life was instantly changed. It doesn’t make any difference to me if the gift was hiding in the closet or not.
Don

WELCOME HOME!!!

PRAISE BE TO GOD!!!

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Psalm 145

Great Is the Lord

[a] A Song of Praise. Of David.

145 I will extol you, my God and King,
and bless your name forever and ever.
2 Every day I will bless you
and praise your name forever and ever.
3 Great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised,
and his greatness is unsearchable.
4 One generation shall commend your works to another,
and shall declare your mighty acts.
5 On the glorious splendor of your majesty,
and on your wondrous works, I will meditate.
6 They shall speak of the might of your awesome deeds,
and I will declare your greatness.
7 They shall pour forth the fame of your abundant goodness
and shall sing aloud of your righteousness.
8 The Lord is gracious and merciful,
slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love.
9 The Lord is good to all,
and his mercy is over all that he has made.
10 All your works shall give thanks to you, O Lord,
and all your saints shall bless you!
11 They shall speak of the glory of your kingdom
and tell of your power,
12 to make known to the children of man your** mighty deeds,
and the glorious splendor of your kingdom.
13 Your kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
and your dominion endures throughout all generations.
[The Lord is faithful in all his words
and kind in all his works.][c]
14 The Lord upholds all who are falling
and raises up all who are bowed down.
15 The eyes of all look to you,
and you give them their food in due season.
16 You open your hand;
you satisfy the desire of every living thing.
17 The Lord is righteous in all his ways
and kind in all his works.
18 The Lord is near to all who call on him,
to all who call on him in truth.
19 He fulfills the desire of those who fear him;
he also hears their cry and saves them.
20 The Lord preserves all who love him,
but all the wicked he will destroy.
21 My mouth will speak the praise of the Lord,
and let all flesh bless his holy name forever and ever.**

 

[Gods_Peace]

They are given to you through praying for the gifts, desiring the gifts, seeking the gifts, utilizing other gifts properly, or a deeper spiritual maturity given by God (Paul plants, Apollos waters, but God lets the seed grow)…

 

[grannymh]

I have understood Paul to be saying in these passages that God give the Gifts of the Holy Spirit to all indiscriminately and I understood this to be to all of humanity throughout the ages according to His will. However, I was just reading a Melkite Catholic website and it seems as though they are saying that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are given at baptism. Can someone clarify this for me?

Saint Paul was well aware that the Holy Spirit who dwells in us is the Source of every gift we enjoy. “Do you not know that you are God’s Temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you.” (1 Cor 3/16) The Holy Spirit who seals us on the day of our baptism enters into the very depths of our being, journeys with us, and, bestows upon us a spiritual vigour and firm faith. He makes us to be children of God, and, because we are children of God we can call God Father.
melkite.org.au/page4580338.aspx

1 Corinthians 12
English Standard Version (ESV)
Spiritual Gifts

12 Now concerning[a] spiritual gifts,** brothers,[c] I do not want you to be uninformed. 2 You know that when you were pagans you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led. 3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills**

In 1 Corinthians, St. Paul was writing to a community which had gotten into some wrongful habits to put it mildly. In chapter 12, St. Paul is reminding the Corinthians that we are all one body with different parts, that is different gifts. So, get rid of the pride.

The nine gifts listed in verses 8-10 are known as St. Paul’s classical list of charismatic gifts of the Holy Spirit which are used to build up the Catholic Church. Later, in Chapter 14, he gives instructions as to how some of these gifts are to be used.

In general, these nine charismatic gifts are manifestations of God’s power. They were an important part of life in the early Church. In time, the use of these ministry gifts seemed to die out. However, some of the nine are apparent in the life of the Saints only they are under names or categories which are slightly different from St. Paul’s list.