1. Hollywood's celebration of 'Call Me by Your Name' is astounding in the #MeToo Era

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Tis_Bearself said:
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where they find it totally acceptable for 16 year old actresses to date 30+ year old actors, and for 16 year old actresses to attend parties with older actors while drinking.
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That’s the thing though. This sort of behavior is all of a sudden getting way frowned upon with #MeToo. The entire theme of the Oscars was freaking #MeToo. Plus we just had the whole Kevin Spacey thing and other male actors being accused of groping or assaulting younger men.

Hollywood simply can’t turn around in the face of all that and gush over an age-gap romance movie. It’s ridiculous.
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I’m sorry, but I’m not sure I understand your post. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?
 
BoyGenius said:
Whether you act on them or not. Still presents the fact you are oriented with a sense of attraction. And just as one person explained what a gay couple are (i.e. sexual.) That there in lies their attraction. Whether someone acts on them, or contemplates to act on them, always gets down to sexual orientation. Or are companies wrong? Should we change if from sexual orientation to sex orientation? Yet again, what defines being gay? As a kid, I might been attracted to the notion of being a super hero, or being like my Dad. Well they are the same gender. Would that espouse a gay association? In fact, it does not. The fact someone is attracted to someone of the same gender does not…
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What are you even rambling about? If I tell someone here that I’m attracted to a woman, it’s pretty obvious what I mean by that. Nobody would say ‘I’m attracted to my dad’. I genuinely don’t know what’s your aim here. Like seriously, I don’t even know what is your point here and how it is relevant in this thread?
 
I am pointing out that the thing you said is “totally acceptable” and has been for years - and you’re correct - is all of a sudden as of Harvey Weinstein etc. no longer “totally acceptable” any more. So it’s bizarre that this movie is being so well received when it’s on the theme of something that is now being regarded as risky and verboten.
 
What was your relevance talking about gay couples relevant to the thread?
You brought up LGBT couples in films. And, since this is a Catholic Forum. I then questioned what people meant by “gay couples.” And then drew from the answer, and posited the fact it is about one’s sexual orientation as the person described. You then maintained to reply clarifying on the assumption if you said you were “gay” to someone. And then continued to defend homosexuality isn’t a sin. And I then described how and why it was.

You clearly understood what I explained. And countered with your arguments/explanations. There was no rambling. For you would not had understood the better part of the conversation which you replied.
 
BoyGenius said:
What was your relevance talking about gay couples relevant to the thread?
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The movie…was…about…a gay couple. My first reply was very relevant to the topic.

The whole world knows what sexual orientation means. You were just splitting hairs over the word ‘attraction’.

And I have never said homosexuality isn’t a sin. So please don’t accuse me of that. I said the behavior is the sin, the attraction isn’t since it cannot be controlled. A person cannot willingly stop being attracted towards the same sex. He or she would have to avoid the behaviors instead. My example of telling someone gay is that one (of the secular world) would not immediately assume that my announcement is about me being sexually promiscuous. If they did assume that about me, it would be the same as a straight person because everyone is perceived to be non-virgins anyway (regardless of who you’re attracted to). Catholic circles seem to act as if gay=actively having sex when in reality, the secular world just take that word to mean that the person is romantically and/or sexually attracted to someone for the same sex.

No, I genuinely don’t understand your purpose of this conversation. It’s rather unnecessary. Most of us here know why gay marriage and sex is wrong. Hence you were rambling unnecessarily. We know what sexual orientation means too. Hence the slight hostility you received earlier by a couple of posters I think.

What you’re saying is not relevant to the thread, which is about the age gap and Hollywood’s hypocrisy. If you genuinely want to talk about it, go ahead, just start a new thread! I don’t think it’s fair to hijack a thread and start talking about what you want, with all due respect.
 
I think the article that was linked kind of explained it well.

I didn’t watch it (looks boring even if the couple is straight tbh) but it seems like the younger person was the one pursuing the relationship.
 
I agree.
Even if hypothetically if it was culturally acceptable (or tolerated or legal) in Italy it still doesn’t mean it is ok.
I can’t speak regarding Italians but I’m of Croatian background and we definitely don’t think it’s right for adults to have sexual/romantic relationships with teenagers.
People of different ages have different psychological and emotional development stages.

To me this type of movie sends a mixed message when you consider those teacher-student relationship news stories that your referring to and all that Kevin Spacey and Corey Feldman stuff etc.
 
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but it seems like the younger person was the one pursuing the relationship.
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Yes, that’s every older person’s fantasy…to have the younger one “pursuing the relationship” so they are off the hook and can just say, “but but but, s/he pursued me!”

Sorry, in the USA you can still go to jail even if it was the underage person’s idea.
 
BoyGenius, with all due respect, you need to organize your thoughts a bit more. You’re rambling a lot and it’s hard to connect the dots on your thinking half the time
 
Movies like this are why Hollywood loses relevancy with each generation. Oscar ratings have far more to do with the garbage produced than the politics of the awards.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
I am pointing out that the thing you said is “totally acceptable” and has been for years - and you’re correct - is all of a sudden as of Harvey Weinstein etc. no longer “totally acceptable” any more. So it’s bizarre that this movie is being so well received when it’s on the theme of something that is now being regarded as risky and verboten.
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I don’t know… we will see. I think the “#metoo” movement is focused on sexual harassment (unwanted sexual advancements), but I’m not sure Hollywood is condemning relationships between 16 and 30 year olds when the girl wants the relationship.

Afterall, Hollywood has no issue promoting & showing teens having sex in programs with a teen and young adult target audience.
 
JimG said:
The film tells a generation of older men that pursing sexual relationships with teenagers is beautiful and empowering, and perfectly acceptable.
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Empowering to whom?

I think any relationship that falls outside of the Matrimonial Covenant bond of love, as God has set out, is where the problem falls. Whether someone thinks they are in love, for at whatever age they are. If that falls outside of the scope God has instilled in the heart. It then falls outside of His Two Greatest Commandments on Love. And which the MeToo, and whatever trend/fad/tabloid, or any sort of media comprised attention is out there. Whether it is meant for good or for ill. It’s shallow territory.

People want to hookup, try it out, and see if it works. So people treat one another under a trial period, and a test. People just don’t want to suffer. But once you get entangled with someone, God does an extraordinary thing. He curses that relationship. Meaning, for it’s intent and purpose He maintains even though the person doesn’t want it. For if a woman sleeps with a man, she becomes strongly attached. Or he does, and she doesn’t like him any more. Or, they meant it as a hookup. But become strongly attached. They have a child. But he then later cheats. Or shows no strong compliance of love in that relationship. So she takes him to court for child support.

The point is, even though they thought it was a just a trial test, God made them to be the same flesh, not apart from one another: what God has put together, let no man put asunder.

So with that, anything wherefore the love and adoption of relationships people seek outside of God’s Covenant, is going to cause and be a great travesty.

And it has been, and still continues to be. God will allow the suffering to continue, until people get to their senses just as the Prodigal Son who had his heart returning to be back home, and restored to his father, in relationship and love as his son.
 
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