1 John 1:7

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Augustine3 said:
Actually the Church has proof texts for all her doctrines. Here is a website you may find handy:

socrates58.blogspot.com.au/2008/02/biblical-evidence-for-purgatory.html

This is one of my favourite bible references to purgatory:

That is why the kingdom of heaven may be likened to a king who decided to settle accounts with his servants. When he began the accounting, a debtor was brought before him who owed him a huge amount. Since he had no way of paying it back, his master ordered him to be sold, along with his wife, his children, and all his property, in payment of the debt. At that, the servant fell down, did him homage, and said, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay you back in full.’ Moved with compassion the master of that servant let him go and forgave him the loan. When that servant had left, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a much smaller amount. He seized him and started to choke him, demanding, ‘Pay back what you owe.’ Falling to his knees, his fellow servant begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay you back.’ But he refused. Instead, he had him put in prison until he paid back the debt. Now when his fellow servants saw what had happened, they were deeply disturbed, and went to their master and reported the whole affair. His master summoned him and said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you your entire debt because you begged me to. Should you not have had pity on your fellow servant, as I had pity on you?’ Then in anger his master handed him over to the torturers until he should pay back the whole debt. So will my heavenly Father do to you, unless each of you forgives his brother from his heart."

If we read the context we’ll find the story is not about settling financial debts but forgiveness in the context of the kingdom of heaven, not earth, as the story begins with “the kingdom of heaven may be likened”
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Thanks for the site. It looks good. I will bring that passage to her attention along with the verses from the site. But I think I know how she will respond—The verses apply to the time they were written and not a reference to a purification after death. She doesn’t believe in an immortal soul any way so anything that I put forth she won’t consider. Mores the pity.
 
guanophore said:
Absolutely!

Pray for her.

Change the subject. Talk about the scriptural evidence for the divinity of Christ instead.
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She sees all the evidence, and does believe that Jesus is divine BUT he is a little god but not the God. Her reasoning for this is that Jesus is never called Almighty.

To her, Jesus is Michael the arch angel that acquired a human body and the first creation of God. See, according to her actually the WT, first God created Michael/Jesus than through Jesus all OTHER things were created. Amazingly, this all makes sense to her.

I do pray for her.
 
Augustine3 said:
I just wanted to throw in a little caution because some JW’s use this in their defence :hmmm:

I usually present the following argument to JW’s:

If Jesus was not God but an angel then his sacrifice on the cross would be in vain. God is infinite, therefore he requites nothing less than an infinite atonement for our sins. A finite atonement will not be sufficient. If Jesus was an angel, a created being he would then be finite and so a finite atonement offered for an infinite offence will not be just.

Sorry for the side track, I just wanted to bring this up. I have NEVER received a satisfactory rebuttal to this argument
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This is not a side track, Augustine, but exactly the point that should be used, rather than arguing about matters such as Purgatory. What good would winning such a point be, when they have an erroneous concept of the person of Christ?
 
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