1 Timothy 2:5

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1 Timothy 2:5 says:
“For there is one God.
There is also one mediator between God and the human race,
Christ Jesus, Himself human,”
How would I explain that we ask Saints to pray for us? :confused:
 
catholic.com/library/Praying_to_the_Saints.asp

catholic.com/library/Intercession_of_the_Saints.asp

*"I desire therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, **intercessions *and thanksgivings be made for all men: 2 For kings and for all that are in high station: that we may lead a quiet and a peaceable life in all piety and chastity. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour, 4 who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth"

1 Timothy 2:1-4

The links have more, but basically, yes there is One mediator, but we are willed to pray for one another through Christ as we all belong to the Body of Christ.

*16 So confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another to be cured; the heartfelt prayer of someone upright works very powerfully. *
James 5:16

It is good to seek intercessions from those who are upright…already in heaven.

Moses interceded on behalf of the Israelites. Abraham intercedes on behalf of Sodom and Gomorrah. Job interceded on behalf of his friends. We ask the Saints to intercede for us.
 
1 Timothy 2:5 says:
“For there is one God.
There is also one mediator between God and the human race,
Christ Jesus, Himself human,”
How would I explain that we ask Saints to pray for us? :confused:
  1. It really is no different than when we pray to God. For example, Jesus taught us to pray the “Our Father”. When we address the Father directly in that prayer, we are not denying Jesus’ role as the one mediator.
    Jesus’ role as the one mediator doesn’t mean humans are no longer to pray/speak to God on behalf of themselves or others…
  2. Asking a saint to pray for us is no different than asking a friend here to pray for us. The saint just happens to be in heaven and our friend is here on earth.
 
The difference here is the words intercessor and mediator.

A mediator typically in this case means “acting through” while inercession is acting on behalf of someone.

Big difference.

God is acting through Jesus, Saints act (pray) on our behalf. The direction and target of the interaction is reversed.
 
1 Timothy 2:5 says:
“For there is one God.
There is also one mediator between God and the human race,
Christ Jesus, Himself human,”
How would I explain that we ask Saints to pray for us? :confused:
The same way that one would explain why we ask anybody to pray for us. I ask a lot of people to pray for me, and they do. They do not thereby obstruct Christ as the one mediator.
 
1 Timothy 2:5 says:
“For there is one God.
There is also one mediator between God and the human race,
Christ Jesus, Himself human,”
How would I explain that we ask Saints to pray for us? :confused:
Saints is more likely to us, when I am just not ready to speek with God directly then I call Saint that converse with me.
 
When we pray to the Blessed Mother or the Saints, we ask them to pray FOR us.
Just as we might ask a friend or Priest to pray for us.

When we pray to God, we are NOT asking Him to pray FOR us.

There are 4 kinds of prayer.
Adoration: Praising God
Contrition: Asking for God’s forgiveness
Petition: Asking God for a favor
Thanksgiving: Showing God gratitude

If a Saint asks God for a favor on your behalf, it’s called an intercession. The word comes from the Latin intercedere, which means to plead on another’s behalf - to act as an advocate, especially for a favor for someone else. These intercessors are still using the one and only mediator, Jesus Christ, because they are going directly to him.
Praying to Mary or a Saint for their intercession is merely asking Mary or the Saint to ask Jesus for help.

Catholicism doesn’t say that Catholics ‘must’ pray to any Saints.

For a better explanation, read “Catholicism for Dummies” pages 277 & 278.

When Jesus appeared to St. Faustina (which we celebrate on Divine Mercy Sunday), He said: “by your entreaties, you and your companions shall obtain mercy for yourselves and for the world.”

“Pray for the living and for the dead” is a Spiritual Work of Mercy.
 
The difference here is the words intercessor and mediator.

A mediator typically in this case means “acting through” while inercession is acting on behalf of someone.

Big difference.

God is acting through Jesus, Saints act (pray) on our behalf. The direction and target of the interaction is reversed.
And a mediator is typically a neutral party who negotiates. An intercessor simply asks on our behalf. We pray for one another every day. Scripture is full of intercessory prayer.

*Then the people came to Moses and said, “We have sinned in complaining against the LORD and you. Pray the LORD to take the serpents from us.” So Moses prayed for the people, and the LORD said to Moses, “Make a saraph and mount it on a pole, and if anyone who has been bitten looks at it, he will recover.” (Numbers 21:7-8)

Now, therefore, take seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up a holocaust for yourselves; and let my servant Job pray for you; for his prayer I will accept, not to punish you severely. For you have not spoken rightly concerning me, as has my servant Job." Then Eliphaz the Temanite, and Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite, went and did as the LORD had commanded them. And the LORD accepted the intercession of Job. Also, the LORD restored the prosperity of Job, after he had prayed for his friends; the LORD even gave to Job twice as much as he had before. (Job 42:8-10)*

Intercessory prayer springs from the idea of the Communion of Saints in which we profess faith when we say the creed at Mass. Nowhere does it say in the Bible that the spirits of dead people who make it to heaven are unable to pray for us or that they are somehow prevented from praying for us. In fact, the Bible is rife with examples of spirits praying for us and bringing our peteitions before God.

*I can now tell you that when you, Tobit, and Sarah prayed, it was I who presented and read the record of your prayer before the Glory of the Lord; and I did the same thing when you used to bury the dead. … … I am Raphael, one of the seven angels who enter and serve before the Glory of the Lord." (Tobit 12:12,15)

See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven always look upon the face of my heavenly Father. (Matthew 8:10)

When he took it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones. (Revelation 5:8)

Another angel came and stood at the altar, holding a gold censer. He was given a great quantity of incense to offer, along with the prayers of all the holy ones, on the gold altar that was before the throne. The smoke of the incense along with the prayers of the holy ones went up before God from the hand of the angel. (Revelation 8:3-4)*

Spirits in Heaven are keenly aware of what goes on down here on earth. Paul wrote of the prophets who were killed (sawed in two, etc) and called them a “Great cloud of witnesses” in Hebrews 12:1.

In just the same way, I tell you, there will be rejoicing among the angels of God over one sinner who repents." (Luke 15:10)

What happens? Do the angels in heaven start rejoicing and the saints look at each other wondering what’s going on? Do the saints say, “There go those crazy angels again, rejoicing over repentant sinners. What a bunch of knuckleads. Now where did I leave my harp?”

And we see a clear example of our prayers for the dead bring not only permitted, but effective and righteous.

But under the tunic of each of the dead they found amulets sacred to the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear. So it was clear to all that this was why these men had been slain. They all therefore praised the ways of the Lord, the just judge who brings to light the things that are hidden. Turning to supplication, they prayed that the sinful deed might be fully blotted out. The noble Judas warned the soldiers to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen. He then took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin. (2 Maccabees 12:40-46)

We are one community, dead or alive. We are one body of Christ, not two bodies of Christ - one body of Christ who are alive and pray for each other and one body of Christ who are dead and are oblivious to what goes on in the created world.

The only people for whom there is no hope and for whome our prayers and theirs are innefective are those in Hell.

-Tim-
 
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Thank you all for your kind words. I’m glad you found my post valuable.

Down here in the deep south you have to know how to defend your faith.

-Tim-
 
1 Timothy 2:5 says:
“For there is one God.
There is also one mediator between God and the human race,
Christ Jesus, Himself human,”
How would I explain that we ask Saints to pray for us? :confused:
But is Our Lord Jesus Christ his own mediator?
We see in Holy Scripture that Our Lord Jesus Christ used mediators,

At the feeding of the five thousand Matthew 14

and four thousand. Matthew 15

The woman for her child. Matthew 15

The man with his child Mark 9

The centurion for his servant. Matthew 8

The widows son. Luke 7

The lame man who’s friends broke a hole in the roof to lower him down to be near Our Lord Jesus Christ, Luke 5

and

His Mother at the wedding feast. John 2

So, The Saints can and do intercede and mediate for us with Our Lord Jesus Christ.
We can go it alone but why disdain Our Lord Jesus Christ friends?
 
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