myfavoritmartin:
Sorry eden I’m still here, and I am not blinded by the word of God rather guided by the word of god and To be honest I don’t think Christ or mary would be happy with us not going directly to him with our cares,concerns and so forth, Why go to Mary instead of Christ? I just dont get it.
It is not a question of going to Mary “instead” of Christ. It is not the “either/or” argument Protestants like to make it. It is “both/and.” This does not mean Christ alone is insufficient. It means asking for help where ever it can be found.
Your problem is that you have been fooled into believing that you have something like a Batman hot-line direct from commisioner Gordon’s office to the Batcave. Protestants like to believe that anytime they pray, God hears their prayers and replies in some fashion that is in accord with His will. They never consider the possibility that, because of their sin,
they might not be worthy of God’s immediate attention.
The first person to reply to your question offered:
“1 Timothy 2:1-3
First of all, then, I ask that supplications,
(intercessions) prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone, for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity. This is good and pleasing to God our savior…”
Here St. Paul makes it clear that praying and interceeding for someone else is a good thing to be practised.
Do you understand this?
Next, consider the event in Job. Job’s friends needed to atone for themselves to God, but God insisted the sacrifice be made by Job on their behalf; else their offering would be rejected by God. Usually when I try to bring this up, Protestants would say that since Jesus replaces Job as mediator between man and God, we don’t need anyone else to mediate for us. First of all, Jesus is the only mediator of the new covenant as Moses was the mediator of the old covenant. This does not mean that Jesus will do everything and we do nothing. The Christian element of
sharing or
participating in the salvation of souls is self-evident. Simply re-read Eden’s post which answered your question with dozens of biblical quotes and precedences.
If I held to your errant definition of what Christ as the lone mediator meant, I would argue that we do not need Bibles or minister to preach as Jesus would just do it all for us. But how many souls would be saved if we had no bibles, no preaching, nor any other form of intercession by man hoping that Jesus would reach everyone in His own mystical way?
The second problem Protestants have with the Job example is that
they place Jesus in the role of Job, rather than God. Break down the Job example:
There is God - then Job, who interceeds for his friends - and then the friends of Job who are the ones being interceeded for.
Compare this with the NT event where the centurion requests that Jesus heal his sick servant. Now, break down this event:
There is God, (Jesus) - then the centurion, who interceeds for his friend - and then the servant who is being interceeded for.
This is a incredibly powerful event! We have no idea who the servant is. But, it is doubtful that the servant knew about Jesus, or had ever placed any faith in Him or had asked anything of Jesus. To the best we can tell, the servant was on his deathbed and had no idea that the centurion was even interceeding for him. What we have here is one person, the centurion, causing the life of someone he loved to be saved by God by interceeding for him.
It is perfectly clear, in the quote from 1 Timothy, the intercession of the centurion, and the many quotes offered by Eden, that the act of praying and interceeding for one another is entirely biblical and promoted. You, yourself, have most certainly prayed for others, as they would pray for you in your hour of need. To accept their prayers, and to validate your prayers for them, while condemning the prayerful interaction between Mary and the saints in heaven with the saints on earth is hypocrisy, not to mention non-sense.
This is something I just don’t get.
Thal59
Christ is given many titles and yet we as parts of His One Body of believers each have a similar yet smaller role to play. Our role does not diminish Jesus in any way but only magnifies it by imitation. 
I don’t want our dear friend to be mistaken about what Catholics believe.