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Luvs2Learn
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Is the order in which the 10 Comandments are numbered the same for Eastern Catholics as it is for Latin Catholics?
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KyivAndrew
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Good question. I never really thought of this until you posted. The order is the same; it just seems that we make Two Commandments out of the Roman Catholic First Commandment, for which we (I mean Ukrainian Greek Catholics) make up by turning the Roman Catholic Ninth and Tenth into the Tenth. I looked up our Church’s website and found this in Ukrainian:
Бог дав Десять заповідей, що є не просто моральними законом, але й законом релігійним і законом любові. Десять заповідей є основою, фундаментом віри в єдиного Бога.
Й справді, перша заповідь стверджує, що є лише один Бог. Друга заповідь стосується ідолопоклонства. Вона є дуже важливою і актуальною до сьогодні. Третя заповідь забороняє промовляти святе Боже ім’я не благоговійно. Лише зі страхом, вірою і любов’ю ми сміємо закликати святе Боже ім’я.
Четверта заповідь приписує вшанування святого дня на згадку про сьомий день творення, коли Господь по сотворенні світу відпочив, благословивши та освятивши цей день. Після воскресення Спасителя, святим днем стала неділя – щотижневий спомин воскресення, День Господній.
Наступні заповіді – шануй батька і матір, не убий, не чини перелюбу, не вкради – є постійною основою поведінки тих, що бажають перебувати в мирі з Господом і людьми: повага до сім’ї, повага до життя, повага до людської особистості є властивим вираженням поваги до Божого образу в людині, у всій його величі.
Дев’ята заповідь стосується неправдивого свідчення, тобто до неправди. Остання заповідь засуджує заздрість і ревнощі та велить мати повагу до чужої власності.
kyiv.ugcc.org.ua/ua/biblijnij_molitovnik/tema_4_desyat_zapovidej_bozhih.html
which I quickly translate into English as follows:
"God gave Ten Commandments, which are not simply moral laws, but laws of religion and love. The Ten Commandments are the foundation of our Faith in One God.
The First Commandment states that there is only One God. The Second Commandment deals with idolatry. This is very important and actual for today. The Third Commandment forbids the use of God’s name in vain. Only with fear, faith, and love, may we call upon God’s holy name.
The Fourth Commandment orders us honour the Sabbath in remembrance of the seventh day of creation, when God rested and blessed this day. After the Resurrection of our Savior, the holy day became Sunday - a weekly reminder of the Resurrection, the Day of our Lord.
The next commandments – honour your father and mother, do not kill, do not commit adultery, do not steal – are a constant foundation for behaviour for those who wish to live in peace with the Lord and people: respect for the family, respect for life, respect for the individual are all proper expressions for the image of God in humanity, in all His majesty.
The Ninth Commandment deals with false witness, meaning falsehood. The Last Commandment condemns jealousy and envy, and orders us to respect others’ possessions."
So I guess the order is the same, but we put 2 in 1 in different places. Hope this helps.
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Crumpy
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There is another thread on the question of numbering, but not from the EO point of view.
Since the Title of the thread is broad, I would like to discuss a related subject: why obey the Ten Commandments?
I read a book called Love Your Neighbor and Yourself: A Jewish Approach to Modern Personal Ethics by Elliot N. Dorff, Jewish Publication Society,2003, paperback 2006.
He cites reasons from scripture (the Torah) for being moral, obeying the commandments:
1) inherent wisdom of doing so
2) the Covenant, with its implicit morality of promise keeping
3) duties of the relationship between God and His people]
4) gratitude toward God
5) the responsibility we have to preserve and enhance God’s reputation
6) the aspiration for holiness
7) the love between us and God
He adds other reasons from Jewish tradition:
8) the commandments create a separate national identity
9) they have aesthetic value
10) make us more humane
Other reasons:
11) they are demanded by reason
12) mystics say that the norms bridge the gap between us and God, enabling us to know Him not just intellectually but intimately
And,
13)** the commandments create a personal relationship between us and God**.
Since the Title of the thread is broad, I would like to discuss a related subject: why obey the Ten Commandments?
I read a book called Love Your Neighbor and Yourself: A Jewish Approach to Modern Personal Ethics by Elliot N. Dorff, Jewish Publication Society,2003, paperback 2006.
He cites reasons from scripture (the Torah) for being moral, obeying the commandments:
1) inherent wisdom of doing so
2) the Covenant, with its implicit morality of promise keeping
3) duties of the relationship between God and His people]
4) gratitude toward God
5) the responsibility we have to preserve and enhance God’s reputation
6) the aspiration for holiness
7) the love between us and God
He adds other reasons from Jewish tradition:
8) the commandments create a separate national identity
9) they have aesthetic value
10) make us more humane
Other reasons:
11) they are demanded by reason
12) mystics say that the norms bridge the gap between us and God, enabling us to know Him not just intellectually but intimately
And,
13)** the commandments create a personal relationship between us and God**.
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KyivAndrew
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Crumpy, you are very well-versed in the Bible and the Jewish roots to our faith. I’m afraid to start asking you questions on the Jewish understanding of the Commandments (the Conservative Rabbi author seems quite the authority) and our understanding because I fear this thread will then get moved by the Mod. to Apologetics or Sacred Scripture as opposed to being allowed to stay in the Eastern Catholicism Forum. 
Some of the reasons you list the Rabbi giving for morality and the Commandments are quite fascinating however.
Some of the reasons you list the Rabbi giving for morality and the Commandments are quite fascinating however.
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Luvs2Learn
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wow, very interesting responses guys.
But what I was really wondering was pretty simplistic:
the Latin number the 10 commandments in a different order then the Eastern Orthodox. since the Eastern Catholic have a lot of similarities to the EO I was wondering if they use the same order for the 10 commandments.
But what I was really wondering was pretty simplistic:
the Latin number the 10 commandments in a different order then the Eastern Orthodox. since the Eastern Catholic have a lot of similarities to the EO I was wondering if they use the same order for the 10 commandments.
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