10 Commandments-Graven images

[I_Leatherman]

mesher:

what about " holy mary, mother of god. pray for us sinners now and the end of world."?

this is not in the bible? did not Jesus teach us how to pray? did the apostles teach us to ask dead person to pray for us, including saints? aren’t they also waiting for the final judgement? did not God warn us not to worship/pray the creation but the creator?

Holy Mary - and the Angel sent by God said Hail Mary Full of Grace … Blessed art thou among women-…
Mother of God - And you shall bear a son who will be called Jesus.
Jesus Christ is God.
Pray for us sinners - we ask that you pray to God for us.
Now and at the hour of our death - Always pray to God for us.

“did the apostles teach us to ask dead person to pray for us, including saints?” - Mesher
A dead person cannot pray for anyone.
But people don’t die.
That is the Gospel Message.
Your body falls away and rots - but your soul remains alive.
If your soul is with God in heaven it prays continuously to God and can pray for others not just for itself.

The Apostles thought the early Church.
The, slightly-later, early Church left inscriptions on marble tombs in the catacombs saying - ‘pray for me’.

Offering prayers for the dead is found in Maccabies.

Jesus, as God, in The Bible says -’ Whatever you ask - shall be given to you.’
We ask that our living friends in heaven pray with us living people on earth - to God .
And it is given to us.

 

[Eden]

mesher:

did God say that we pray for the dead or the dead to pray for us? or, was it the livivng to pray for the living?

Those who have gone to heaven and have been purified and exist in the presence of the Lord are not DEAD! Their human bodies died but their souls are not dead. They are fully alive in Christ.

In Revelation, the saints in heaven are said to be offering our prayers to God for us. Are you saying Revelation is in error?

Rev. 5:8 - the prayers of the saints (on heaven and earth) are presented to God by the angels and saints in heaven. This shows that the saints intercede on our behalf before God, and it also demonstrates that our prayers on earth are united with their prayers in heaven. (The “24 elders” are said to refer to the people of God – perhaps the 12 tribes and 12 apostles - and the “four living creatures” are said to refer to the angels.)

 

[I_Leatherman]

"Originally Posted by I Leatherman

For Example:

A Crucifix image
is the equivalent of
reading the Crucifixion account,
or of actually being there at the time of the Crucifixion,
or of placing yourself there imaginatively, at some future time. "

mesher:

is this biblical? can you site some verses from the Word od God to support this statement? if not then this is an invention or idea of men.

No invention, sorry.
The Crucifixion was a real Biblical event.
If you had been alive then your eyes may have seen the three-dimensional image of God nailed and dying on a cross.

But since you were born too late to see it .

You can read about it.

And your mind draws up the same scene for your contemplation.

If I look at a Crucifix I see what was done to Christ, visually, just as St. John saw what was done to Christ, visually, and as Jesus’s mother saw what was done to Him.

St Paul listened to others tell him aurally what was done to Christ and he would have drawn the scene in his own mind.