10 Commandments

[NewPerspective]

Just wanted to know if someone could justify the altering of the direct Word of God. Spent some time in the catholic encylopedia and discovered the rearranging of the Commandments.

 

[TemplarKnight]

Just wanted to know if someone could justify the altering of the direct Word of God. Spent some time in the catholic encylopedia and discovered the rearranging of the Commandments.

Could you be more specific? Can you present the order they are “supposed” to be in? Can you give us a source for that order?

 

[Scottgun]

Unless Catholics have changed the Bible passage (which they haven’t) that decribes the ten commandments (which iirc are not even referred to as The Ten Commandments) it’s a non-starter. The Bible does not instruct us to cobble together a list of the commanments, put “The Ten Commandments” as a header, mount it it on a wood plaque, and hang it on the freedom shrine at the local high scool. (Do schools still have those by the way?)

 

[NewPerspective]

Exodus 20 will clear that up for ya. Let me give you a link showing the contrast with the catholic ten commandments.
marianland.com/tencommandments/ten_commandments.html

This is not the only place. Its been confirmed to me by umpteen sources. Look closely in Exodus at the second Commandment and compare it with the second given by the catholic church. Also look at the 9th and 10th of the catholic version. The 10th has been split into two to accommodate for the mysterious loss of the 2nd commandment pertaining to the creating of graven images.

And in the library on this site there is an article that explains why and how they did this and how protestants except the changes and rearrrangements. This could not be further from the truth. Never would a Bible believing christian like myself endorse the altering of the Word of God. Now Im not usually a fire and brimstone type of preacher, but I would definitely be concerned about answering for this little number before God. Its a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God Almighty. I would not want to be that guy that answers for such. I’ll pray for yall.

 

[TemplarKnight]

Exodus 20 will clear that up for ya. Let me give you a link showing the contrast with the catholic ten commandments.
marianland.com/tencommandments/ten_commandments.html

This is not the only place. Its been confirmed to me by umpteen sources. Look closely in Exodus at the second Commandment and compare it with the second given by the catholic church. Also look at the 9th and 10th of the catholic version. The 10th has been split into two to accommodate for the mysterious loss of the 2nd commandment pertaining to the creating of graven images.

And in the library on this site there is an article that explains why and how they did this and how protestants except the changes and rearrrangements. This could not be further from the truth. Never would a Bible believing christian like myself endorse the altering of the Word of God. Now Im not usually a fire and brimstone type of preacher, but I would definitely be concerned about answering for this little number before God. Its a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God Almighty. I would not want to be that guy that answers for such. I’ll pray for yall.

Why are we quoting a website and not the bible? I have various catholic translations and those are what I go by. I just checked the NAB and the DR and although the exact words are different, there is no doubt the 10C are in the same order and say the same thing. There is your only authority on the 10 commandments, the holy bible.

 

[NewPerspective]

I’ve been wrong before. But I thought presenting Exodus 20 supporting my claim could be categorized into the quotation of the Bible. Please clarify your silly comments about my quoting a website and not the AUTHORITATIVE Word of God. I gave a link, which is one of tons, including the catholic encyclopedia, that shows the catholic version of the “10C” as you abbreviate them.

 

[Scottgun]

Here is the Catholic Douay-Rheims Exodus passage:

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And the Lord spoke all these words: 2 I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3 Thou shalt not have strange gods before me. 4 Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth. 5 Thou shalt not adore them, nor serve them: I am the Lord thy God, mighty, jealous, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me:*

You can check the other bibles used by Catholics NAB and the RSV and they will have it as well.

Now if Catholics are pulling a fast one, why didn’t they delete these passages? Simple, we are not being sneaky any more than Protestants are being sneaky when they leave out “Six days shalt thou labour, and shalt do all thy works. But on the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God” off the commandment to “Remember that thou keep holy the sabbath day”. Exodus does not say, “This is the first commandment, this is the second” and so on. The numbering is man-made, and for simplicity, both Catholics and non-Catholics summarize them. Much ado about nothing.

 

[NewPerspective]

I think the “fast one” being pulled is thought to be more effective by not completely deleting portions of the Authoritative Word of God, but by slowly and discretely changing context. Without initial recognition of heresy, it tends to be easier to indoctrinate someone. “Fast ones” are never actually fast if they are strategically performed, as I think the cc believes this one is. Some of us still search the Scriptures like the Bereans to verify claims. I’ll keep you all in prayer.

 

[Scottgun]

The fact is the Church has no problem with Exodus 20.

 

[TemplarKnight]

I’ve been wrong before. But I thought presenting Exodus 20 supporting my claim could be categorized into the quotation of the Bible. Please clarify your silly comments about my quoting a website and not the AUTHORITATIVE Word of God. I gave a link, which is one of tons, including the catholic encyclopedia, that shows the catholic version of the “10C” as you abbreviate them.

I just mentioned I looked at Ex 20 in both the NAB and DR. They contain the same 10C in the same order.

Is a Bible the infallible word of God?

Is a Catholic translation of the Bible, i.e. NAB or DR, the infallible word of God?

If the answers to these questions are yes, then where is the issue? The Bible is my answer for all questions. It should be yours too.

 

[latinmasslover]

NewPerspective, I’m curious. Why do you base your beliefs on a book that the Catholic Church put together saying: This is the Word of God?

 

[mattwcu]

The “Catholic Version” of the Ten Commandments is not the Exodus version, though we recognize them of course. The traditional catechetical formula is found in Deut. 5: 6-21

This is basic Catholic apologetics and and easily debunked claim of Protestants that we changed the Commandments.

God Bless.

 

[Yerusalyim]

Here’s the deal New Perspective, our bibles read pretty much the same on the commandments (of which there are 613, not 10). However, when Catholics and Protestants give a list of the famous 10 they enumerate them differently. Remember, the bible doesn’t assign a number or order to the Commandments…and Christ says the FIRST commandment is to Love God with your whole heart…which isn’t even listed in the 10 you’re worried about.

Here’s why we enumerate them differently. You consider the restriction against worshipping idols to be a seperate commandment…the Catholic Church looks as this as PART OF the first commandment…we don’t worship idols.

The Catholic Church seperates coveting a neigbhors wife from coveting his property…the Protestant list doesn’t distinguish between the two…from my perspective a woman is not property and coveting another’s spouse is different than coveting his cow. So, no, the Word of God was not changed…we just look at it differently.

 

[TheDoctor]

If we look at where the commandments are listed in various translations (Exodus 20:2-17 and Deuteronomy 5:6-21), you will not see a listing that says “Here are my commandments: Number 1, Thou Shall…” What you read instead is a list of 12-16 instructions given by God to Moses and through Moses to Israel. In fact, these instructions are not called the “ten commandments” until much later (Exodus 34:28 and Deuteronomy 10:4). In neither case is there a definitive numerical listing. So, where did we get the “ten” from? Tradition (with a capital T that rhymes with C that stand for Catholic - sorry, my kids school just did The Music Man).

Anyone can look at Exodus and Deuteronomy and come up with any numbering or ordering they like (and it appears many did). I’m sorry, but I still can’t see any “direct altering of the word of God”, unless you have questions relating to the original Hebrew???