10 lies about Scandals?

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That is very helpful thank you.

That being said, hypothetically speaking, is it right, according to Catholic teaching, for a bishop or priest to report an abusive priest to the police?

Think about it: It would be a priest turning in a “brother” priest, and by so doing damaging the sacred character of the priesthood. It also would involve the secular state encroaching on the Church, something they may not have a right to do.

Furthermore, how could one reasonably expect a bishop to denounce his own priest, his spiritual “son?” Bringing disgrace, scandal, and disrupting the perception of the priesthood?

Don’t forget, no matter how poorly a priest may behave, he remains a priest ,called by god, forever…

Also, if Cardinals Law, Bevilaqua, Mahoney, Bishop weakland, etc. had behaved differently and turned their abusive priests in to police, might JP II have been displeased with them? or would he have been pleased instead?
 
HabemusFrancis said:
That is very helpful thank you.

That being said, hypothetically speaking, is it right, according to Catholic teaching, for a bishop or priest to report an abusive priest to the police?

Think about it: It would be a priest turning in a “brother” priest, and by so doing damaging the sacred character of the priesthood. It also would involve the secular state encroaching on the Church, something they may not have a right to do.

Furthermore, how could one reasonably expect a bishop to denounce his own priest, his spiritual “son?” Bringing disgrace, scandal, and disrupting the perception of the priesthood?

Don’t forget, no matter how poorly a priest may behave, he remains a priest ,called by god, forever…

Also, if Cardinals Law, Bevilaqua, Mahoney, Bishop weakland, etc. had behaved differently and turned their abusive priests in to police, might JP II have been displeased with them? or would he have been pleased instead?
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How could you really ask those questions without feeling revolting? How could you not report child abuse, under what circumstances would that ever by ok? I present that there are none.
 
sealoch said:
How could you really ask those questions without feeling revolting? How could you not report child abuse, under what circumstances would that ever by ok? I present that there are none.
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You couldnt report it if it was told you in confession. Also Priests are allowed due process-you cant turn a Priest into the Police unless you have reasonable assurance the accusations are true
 
sealoch said:
How could you really ask those questions without feeling revolting? How could you not report child abuse, under what circumstances would that ever by ok? I present that there are none.
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I don’t believe it. Im just wondering if it is true. It is startling how all the bishops/cardinals from Ireland to Belgium to Boston and Philly “mishandled” the cases in such a similar way, that I wonder if there was something more to it than we knew about…
 
estesbob said:
You couldnt report it if it was told you in confession. Also Priests are allowed due process-you cant turn a Priest into the Police unless you have reasonable assurance the accusations are true
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Yes, yes you would. Child abuse is one of the worst crimes against other humans; I would even be so bold to say that it would be worse than murder.
As for not being allowed under confidentiality- this is what real doctors hold to for confidentiality.
caps.ku.edu/~caps/askstaff/
 
sealoch said:
Yes, yes you would. Child abuse is one of the worst crimes against other humans; I would even be so bold to say that it would be worse than murder.
As for not being allowed under confidentiality- this is what real doctors hold to for confidentiality.
caps.ku.edu/~caps/askstaff/
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A Priest can NEVER break the bounds of confession and the Law can not force him to do so.
 
HabemusFrancis said:
I don’t believe it. Im just wondering if it is true. It is startling how all the bishops/cardinals from Ireland to Belgium to Boston and Philly “mishandled” the cases in such a similar way, that I wonder if there was something more to it than we knew about…
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I would hope that there were not more to the case for the children’s sake.
 
estesbob said:
You couldnt report it if it was told you in confession. Also Priests are allowed due process-you cant turn a Priest into the Police unless you have reasonable assurance the accusations are true
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I respectfully disagree. You can most assuredly “turn in” a suspected molester or pedophile to the authorities with no more than a suspicion. They are the ones who are charged with investigating the allegation and pursuing legal recourse, if appropriate.
 
jnjinnc said:
I respectfully disagree. You can most assuredly “turn in” a suspected molester or pedophile to the authorities with no more than a suspicion. They are the ones who are charged with investigating the allegation and pursuing legal recourse, if appropriate.
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Not if it was told in confession.
 
estesbob said:
Not if it was told in confession.
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I agree. I was referring to the other part of your statement " Also Priests are allowed due process-you cant turn a Priest into the Police unless you have reasonable assurance the accusations are true" I did not understand this to mean a confessor, but rather, a layman.
 
1ke said:
You seem to believe “confidentiality” in the medical profession and the seal of confession are the same thing. They are not.
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Right one requires a degree.

I believe that the rights of innocents should not be trampled over using such instruments as rape for the protection of priests who are poorly performing their job.
 
sealoch said:
How could you really ask those questions without feeling revolting? How could you not report child abuse, under what circumstances would that ever by ok? I present that there are none.
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👍 How can a man of God commit such atrocious acts ? Of course there is never an excuse for a cover-up.
 
sealoch said:
Right one requires a degree.

I believe that the rights of innocents should not be trampled over using such instruments as rape for the protection of priests who are poorly performing their job.
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Priests are required to have a good deal of education (at least a Masters degree).

The seal of the confessional can not be violated for ANY REASON. It deals with forgiveness of sin, not therapy. The two cannot be compared.
The confessor could suggest that a person turns themselves in, but forgiveness cannot be contingent upon it however abhorrent the sin.
 
Denimguy said:
Priests are required to have a good deal of education (at least a Masters degree).

The seal of the confessional can not be violated for ANY REASON. It deals with forgiveness of sin, not therapy. The two cannot be compared.
The confessor could suggest that a person turns themselves in, but forgiveness cannot be contingent upon it however abhorrent the sin.
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This is absolutely the most immoral, I’m so taken aback I can not form a coherent statement that can describe how evil this is. To knowingly allow this to even potentially continue is unspeakable.
Do you say this out loud and not cringe?
 
sealoch said:
This is absolutely the most immoral, I’m so taken aback I can not form a coherent statement that can describe how evil this is. To knowingly allow this to even potentially continue is unspeakable.
Do you say this out loud and not cringe?
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I would cringe if the Priest EVER broke the seal of confession.
 
estesbob said:
I would cringe if the Priest EVER broke the seal of confession.
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Would you still cringe if it was child being abused and the priest informing the the police brought the offender to justice stopping the abuse?
 
sealoch said:
Would you still cringe if it was child being abused and the priest informing the the police brought the offender to justice stopping the abuse?
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No-The confessional in inviolate. Is now and has been so for 2,000 years.
 
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