10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down

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TARRAT said:
That doesn’t refute the other poster’s post, because those people presently have guns and at Fort Hood they weren’t allowed to carry them. And anybody who uses a gun illegally is held accountable.

I once knew a fellow who didn’t own a gun and wouldn’t own a gun. He told me that he was thankful that others had guns, because criminals may be more hesitant to do their crime if they were afraid of doing crime not know who may have one.

Any how that was a none gun owners point of view.

God Bless.
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You are perfectly happy that guys like George Zimmerman and Frazier Glenn Cross have the right to own guns?
 
maryjk said:
When seconds count, the police are just minutes away. 👍
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But when we are fashioning civil laws we have to take into account the whole spectrum of possibilities that impact on the common good, not just how I might be affected in a given moment. For example, how many private gun injuries and deaths are the result of accident, inexperience, over reaction, criminal uses, suicide… compared to good split second reactions in a legitimate defense situation. I suppose those sorts of statistics are difficult to pin down, but the fact that many developed countries ban private gun defense outright, demonstrates that there is also a studied view that owning guns for this purpose does not give one power but makes one more vulnerable.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
You are perfectly happy that guys like George Zimmerman and Frazier Glenn Cross have the right to own guns?
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If guys like Treyvon are out there, then I would rather the George Zimmermans of the world be armed.
 
LongingSoul said:
Private owners are left to their own discretion to determine if a death shot is warranted from their subjective perspective. It means that everyone is in a permanent warlike frame of mind. Ready and armed for defense. That can be like a subtle disease. On an international scale that was shown by the state of Cold War between Russia and the US. Nothing good came of it except distrust and propagandising. ‘Not supporting privately owned guns equating with pacificism’ is the stuff of propagandising.
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You can’t be serious. Do you really think someone is in a warlike frame of mind if they are armed? If so then I suppose having a spare tire in the car trunk means I am scared to death of having a flat tire, or taking a bottle of water on a trip means I’m scared of dying of thirst. A gun is just a tool that is good to have available if you need it. It’s better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
 
Robert_Sock said:
I’m deeply distressed by the killings of Christians in the Middle East, and just like I pray for the starving children in the world, I would encourage everyone to pray for those Christians. And just like I would rather die than have to kill someone, or have my gun used to kill an innocent person, this is my suggestion to persecuted Christians.

LOVE! ❤️
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It’s fortunate for us that not everyone thinks like you do, or today, we’d all be speaking German, the Jewish people would be a history lesson, etc., etc.

There are just reasons for taking the life of another and defending the innocent is one of those reasons. Defending oneself is another. This is a teaching of the Church; the necessity of sacrificing one’s life is not. In fact, the Church discourages this.

It’s easy enough to say you suggest that persecuted Christians just accept a violent death when you’re not one of them. You don’t know what you would do in that situation.

Moreover, fear of guns is by and large a product of ignorance and unfamiliarity with them. I grew up in a very gun-saturated environment. Almost every family I knew (my own included) growing up had a gun or guns in the house. Number of accidental or intentional shootings between all of those? ZERO. Do these things happen? Of course they do, but they’re not the pandemic liberal gun-phobics make them out to be.

I would venture to say that more than 75% of the households in my hometown own guns. And you know how often you hear about robberies, assaults or other violent crimes around here? Virtually never.
 
maryjk said:
This article has been debunked so many times, it seems crazy to have to do it myself.

Ann Coulter isn’t my favorite columnist but her list works.

Here are a few mass shootings that have been stopped.

Are there more? Yep. But do your own research.
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Two of the examples are off-duty police officers; one, a restaurant owner with a gun on the property for specific protection of the property; one, a school official. Only two of the examples answer to the idea of 'responsible gun owners.
The glaring problem is that the easy availability of guns led, to your own tally of your counter-examples, to ten murders of innocent people, murders which simply would not have occurred at all. These people had just as immutable a right to life as anyone, a far greater right to their lives than any gun owner has to a ‘Second Amendment right’ to possessing firearms. The NUMBER of victims of gun violence always gets downplayed – “oh, there are more people killed this way than that way – there are millions of abortions abut only fourteen or fifteen thousand gun deaths a year” – as if those thousands were just throwaway lives.

So the examples only prove one thing: even when guns are brought to bear to stop more deaths in a handful of situations, their prevalence led to the deaths to begin with.
 
LongingSoul said:
Police are highly trained to shoot to wound or shoot to kill.
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Police are certainly not trained to wound. If it is necessary to shoot someone, then it is necessary to kill them. Unless you live with a police presence in your house 24/7, then there may come a day when you have to rely upon your own judgement. Stop trying to make the innocent person a criminal. If there weren’t any criminals, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
You are perfectly happy that guys like George Zimmerman… have the right to own guns?
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George Zimmerman was tried and found not guilty. Why should we have a problem with him owning a gun? Because he killed the thug who attacked him?
 
Robert_Sock said:
That’s to be expected! My only intention for starting this thread was to make people aware of the potential negative consequences of owning a gun. Thanks!

LOVE! ❤️
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About the only negative consequences I can think of right now, is the EPA regulations and what have you driving up the cost of my ammo!!!..Darn liberals! :mad:

Peace, Mark
 
Timothysis said:
Police are certainly not trained to wound. If it is necessary to shoot someone, then it is necessary to kill them. Unless you live with a police presence in your house 24/7, then there may come a day when you have to rely upon your own judgement. Stop trying to make the innocent person a criminal. If there weren’t any criminals, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
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In Australia, officers carry a gun on one hip and a taser on the other. The taser is used far more frequently than the gun. Private civilians don’t have that option. I’m not trying to make the innocent person a criminal… I’m suggesting that it’s a myth that a gun gives a person power but rather makes them vulnerable in the big picture.
 
Deus_tecum said:
You can’t be serious. Do you really think someone is in a warlike frame of mind if they are armed? If so then I suppose having a spare tire in the car trunk means I am scared to death of having a flat tire, or taking a bottle of water on a trip means I’m scared of dying of thirst. A gun is just a tool that is good to have available if you need it. It’s better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
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A spare tyre and drinking bottle are certainly not tools that could result in the death of a person.

If guns were really necessary for the defense of your life in the US they should be made available to us as tourists when we enter your country. The whole law is based on a justification that is discriminatory and unjust in itself. Guns are only available to citizens who qualify but restricted to the mentally ill, children, tourists and an array of other ‘weak’ candidates. It’s survival of the fittest and that’s not a good philosophy at all.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
You are perfectly happy that guys like George Zimmerman and Frazier Glenn Cross have the right to own guns?
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George was found not guilty. Because somebody misuses a gun you think nobody should own one. What about people who misuse cars? Pittsburgh just had a mass stabbing at a high school, should we outlaw kitchen knives?
 
TARRAT said:
George was found not guilty. Because somebody misuses a gun you think nobody should own one. What about people who misuse cars? Pittsburgh just had a mass stabbing at a high school, should we outlaw kitchen knives?
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I did not say nobody should own one. I said the best we can hope for is that all gun owners will legitimately pass effective gun control checks.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
I did not say nobody should own one. I said the best we can hope for is that all gun owners will legitimately pass effective gun control checks.
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You suggested George Zimmerman, of all people, shouldn’t have had one.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
And who was it that initiated that conflict?
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If you read the evidence, it was Martin who doubled back and initiated the conflict with Zimmerman. It was Martin who sucker punched Zimmerman and it was Martin who was seen by a witness on top of Martin beating him “MMA style” while Zimmerman was yelling for help.
 
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